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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"69.16% of Americans are okay with fascism" isn't really a resounding defense of the health of American democracy in the face of fascism, though.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

More people didn't vote at all than let this demented rapist burn everything down.

Fucking idiots.

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I voted for Harris. But let's be honest. There were two choices on the ballot in 2016, 2020, and 2024:

  1. Fascism
  2. Slightly delayed fascism.
[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I’m glad you voted, but i don’t agree those were the two options.

I think it was a functioning government implementing more progressive policies vs. absolute shit-spewing catastrophic chaos.

And as that has already been borne out in the first, what, thirty seconds? Those people who refused to prevent it can get fucked.

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

Those really were the options though.

When Biden won in 2020, I distinctly remember saying, "Trump is going to win in 2024." I saw it clearly. It wasn't hard to predict.

Trump didn't come from nowhere. Learn history. What we are experiencing now is not unique. Whenever wealth inequality gets too great, people demand action. And if those in power aren't willing to move the needle and improve the lot of the working class, then they will turn to demagogues. This happens again and again in sclerotic democracies. It happened in Rome. It happened in ancient Greece. It happened in Revolutionary France. People turn to demagogues who promise to ram change through if they are not taken care of. Yes, it's fucking obvious that Trump isn't going to actually help the people. That's the definition of a demagogue. Yet demagogues crop up again and again whenever democracies face the challenges we are facing now.

Democrats have proven themselves, time and time again, to not be willing to actually move the needle. Imagine if Biden had showed even half of Trump's willpower, except for good rather than evil. Think of where we would be now.

This is why the choice was "fascism" or "slightly delayed fascism." Kamala wasn't going to meaningfully move the needle either. If she had won in 2024, Trump or another fascist demagogue would have won in 2028.

Merely holding the line is not a viable strategy. If you are running against fascism, and you refuse to do anything to meaningfully fight it when you win, you are responsible for getting that fascist elected.

Trump is responsible for his own sins. But Democrats are the reason he is currently in the White House. He's doing the evil, but they are the ones who put him there.

[–] red@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Empty votes plus Trump votes still mean the majority of US was for, or at least indifferent about getting a fascist as a president.

[–] Carrot@lemmy.today 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I mean this is wrong for many reasons, not the least of which is all the road blocks put in place to dissuade people to vote. Look into how some places didn't put prepaid postage on mail-in votes, meaning people had to pay for the luxury to vote. Look at how the election is held the evening of a work day, and many people are unable to leave their jobs to go vote without risking their livelihood. Look at how people are randomly unregistered to vote without their knowledge (this happens to me every year, despite actively voting even in local elections and living in the same place.) Look at how they offered a boatload of money to people who voted Republican, despite how that has always been illegal.

You may say that these people are still at fault, and to some degree I agree with you, but if you haven't been so poor that you couldn't eat, couldn't keep your utilities on, couldn't drive anywhere extra because you have no money for gas or public transit, then you have no idea where a large portion of the would-be eligible voters are coming from.

On top of this, the Democrats didn't focus at all on how they were going to make poor people's lives better. While the Republicans straight up lied, they heavily covered how Trump would supposedly lift the working class out of poverty.

I live quite comfortably now, but I haven't always, and a huge part of what my fellow Democrats miss is just how desperate it makes you not having your daily needs met. Poor folks fall for the lies because the only thing they have a privilege of caring about is getting food on the table.

Sure, there are the bigots and the racists, and if someone voted R because of that, they are 100% the problem. But I'm pretty sure the majority of people who voted R or didn't vote were just busy trying to survive and hopeful that the lies Trump told would change their lives forever.