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Reddit is now allowing advocacy of Child Marrige because they don't want to be seen as islamophobes
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this post was submitted on 07 Aug 2025
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I have a weird take that will give me downvotes.
In the US we grow up with 18 being an adult and consent for most things (driving is the exception and why I say "most things" )
I don't agree with marriage under 18.
In other countries though that is not the case and that is their custom. And I'm in no position to argue on some other cultures customs IN their country.
If you're in a country where underage marriage is acceptable, and you move to the US, then it is unacceptable.
I think people generally agree with you, but there are limits to what people will tolerate anywhere. For instance if Rwanda made a law requiring Hutus to murder of Tutsis, most people would say that's unacceptable even in Rwanda.
There's obviously a bright line between ok and not ok in that example, but for marriage it could be a little more unclear. Sure, maybe a 17 year old marrying a 19 year old is ok in some places and not others, but overall no one will probably be that upset about it. However, a majority of the world has a problem with a 50 year old marrying a 10 year old. Where exactly the line is crossed is open to debate, but pretty much everyone agrees there should be a line. Most countries are picking 18 as that line because it's better to have an imperfect choice rather than none at all.
Almost all age of consent laws and marriage laws (not finding a good map on this one) start well into puberty. Pretty funny seeing all the 18 countries right next to "no age" countries.
And the US is all over the place! I could hop any of 3 state lines and bangin' a 16-yo is fine. Meanwhile, at home, 17 would see me in a concrete and steel box. Weird. Of course our laws make Europe look positively rapey, if one believes 18 is some moral, hard limit. Guess it's no surprise our laws are more puritanical.
Funny enough, hopping the state line to do it is not so fine...but if you happen to be in the state for a different reason...
Yep! Suddenly, TRAFFICKING! So weird living in such a huge country with so many conflicting laws. I have to check myself carrying a pistol across state lines!
Are any other countries like this?! Fuck me. Federal, state, county and city laws can all be contradictory.
If its harmful to people then yes, you should. Child marriage, raping children, lack of women's right, and murding LGBT is not acceptable, I'm not going to sit here and say "oh it's their culture so it's okay", it's fucked up and yes, they should change.
Okay but who decides if its harmful? Plenty of peoole get married at 18-20 and it fucks them up. Plenty of insanely rich old dudes marry 18 year olds. Does that mean we should increas the marriage age?
What about if we had people from another cukture that thought people werent adults until 30? Since that is justifiable as your brain is still developing until around that age. Would you then describe anyone that marries someone in their 20s as raping children?
Hoards of scientific evidence decides if it's harmful.
We have hoardes of data on the effects of child marraige?
Yes, and child sexual abuse, sexual debut, etc. They are mostly based on questionnaires but children who debut early have universally shitty outcomes in mental health, teenage pregnancy, STDs, depression and suicide, and even total lifetime earnings. Do a pubmed search.
Wow, defending child marriage... Not a good look.
Actually the opposite, im so against child marriage i think marriage under 30 should be illegal. Dont you think the same?
No law is ever going to be perfect, but perfection is the enemy good here.
It's pretty well researched, understood, and established that your average 9 year old has so much more critical mental development they still need to undergo than your average 18 year old in order to become functional adults, regardless of what actual official age we define that as being.
Yes, some 18 year olds may still be taken advantage of, abused, hurt etc., but those 18 year olds, on average, will have a much better chance of defending themselves from and overcoming the damage done by an abusive "suitor" than the average 9 year old would. That is both physically and mentally.
In this case, I think it is a good albeit imperfect law as it serves the majority of the people and cases. Of course there will still be those outliers it fails to protect, but it is still a "net good".
You sure about that?
I dislike the fact that your completely reasonable and understandable position which essentially boils down to "local laws and customs differ, so we must all follow the laws of the local land for who am I, an outsider, to cast my judgement upon others" is factually and correctly labeled as having a weird take.
Because anything that coukd be vaguely linked to pedophilia becomes part of the moral high horse content where if you dont take on as extremly negative opinion as someone else, well then youre obviously a pedo or defending pedos. So there can exist no nuanced discussion on any issues like this because people will see it and jump on the chance to show everyone how morally superior they are, by having a more extreme opinion on it than the other guy.
Only 10 US states peg age of consent at 18. Most are 17 a several are 16.
Check Europe's age of consent and age of marriage laws.
If teens getting married or fucking bothers anyone here, have a look at your own laws before casting stones at the US.
Under 18 needs parental consent.
Nope. "Age of consent" means anybody can fuck anybody at that age. Parental consent can be a thing with marriage laws. Don't know much about the particulars there.
I'm talking about marriage......... You're adding in sex for some reason. Nowhere in any conversation has anyone said anything about having sex with someone under 18...
Only if you're straight. Many states have different laws on age of consent for gay sex.
> give me downvotes
Okay
I didn’t read your take but imma guess it’s popular opinion
Its not really a culture issue though. In the US we decided on 18 because that's the age it is believed that people can make decisions for themselves. Personally I think it should probably be higher. In other countries that have a lower age of consent don't do it because they think the kids are mature enough to make that decision. They do it because they view the kids as similar to slaves who have to do what they are told. If it is a culture thing, then should culture be enforced through threat of death i.e. honor killings? They just use culture as an excuse to be shitty.
You just slammed everyone in Europe, excepting, ironically enough, Turkey.
https://old.lemmy.world/comment/18675775
Sure. I slammed anyone who thinks kids are mature enough to marry. There's plenty of states here in the US that fit the bill too.
If you're pegging "kid" at under 18, you're against almost every law on the planet.
So I am. In my opinion people should wait even longer than that. I remember when I was 18. I was an idiot just starting to learn about how to live in the world, and I'd say a significant percentage of the people my age were more reckless than even me. Any big decision one has to make at that age is at best uninformed.
I was a moron as well! Still am! OTOH, I've read things I wrote back in high school thinking these views would be childishly naive. Nope! I was more mature than I gave myself credit for.
Made friends with the neighborhood kids, pretty much on accident. When they were 17-21 they'd hang on a Saturday night and talk and debate and argue and have a blast. I was stunned at how smart and experienced they were! I'll never misjudge young people again. Who was the fool to underestimate them? Me.
FFS, at 17 we were fucking like rabid hamsters, at the height of the AIDS epidemic. Not like we were clueless. Sex was a life and death affair, but we managed to be safe, navigate that danger along with all the other crazy shit tied to human sexuality. LOL, the stories I could tell. One of the nerdiest girls in school, "Have you tried tying your gf up?! My bf fucked my brains out strapped to his bed last night!" Kids? Hardly.
We all have to grow up, make those painful mistakes, learn. I'm certain you agree. But dialing that age out older and older and older is a mistake. What chaps my ass are those who make young people out to be idiots, idiots incapable of agency. I will not take that from them. I will not disrespect them so.
Everything you just said describes the behavior of irresponsible kids. I not arguing that we should stop kids from doing all that. I agree that it is a part of growing up. I'm arguing that they should not be able to sign legal contracts, such as marriage, that will have a major impact on their lives without truly understanding it. That's the best case scenario. There are much worse people who take advantage of such lax laws.