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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Buy guns. Buy ammo. Help others acquire guns and ammo.

Train. Help others train.

Form networks.

[–] keyhoh@piefed.social 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

When voting with your voice doesn't work, and voting with your money doesn't work, all that left to vote with, is lead.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So when that doesn't work, then what?

[–] wanderingmagus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If lead isn't working, you haven't used enough of it. Can't have a problem if the problem-makers are all dead to a man. Or if necessary, to a child.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What if the problem makers are holed up in a bunker thousands of miles away remotely sending drones to kill you? How much lead does that take?

[–] keyhoh@piefed.social 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I suppose in that case you lay siege and starve them out. Cut off all materials in our out. Supplies run out, and so do million dollar weapons, eventually. Ideally it never gets to that point but what other recourse do you have to stop the march of dystopia?

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago

You're going to lay siege from thousands of miles away while being killed by autonomous death robots?

Okay, good luck.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Let's say 500 of your closest neighbors and friends all buy AR-15s with the best optics money can buy and all the green tips you can eat. And you all secretly spend 60 hours a week drilling in modern combat.

What are you going to do against a tank? Or a jet? Or just artillery fire? And "hit and run" tactics don't work when there are cameras on every street corner and it is a trivial problem to track people back to their suburbs.

If The Right To Bear Arms were actually a threat to those in power then you can be damned sure it would have been repealed faster than a kindergartener can cry for their parents.

Resistance is important and I recommend you go to protests and actually talk with the organizers. No, not the ones who are thinking up catchy slogans or what cool costumes everyone can wear. The old hats. The ones who are actually pulling people however many steps back from the curb they need to be or who are looking for idiots with guns who will get everyone killed. Make some friends and go from there.

But all you are doing with "buy guns and train" is the same bullshit that republicans have been getting off on for decades. White people get to take hostages and occupy buildings. But in the eyes of the fascists? We're all n*****s.

[–] SheeEttin@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What are you going to do against a tank? Or a jet? Or just artillery fire? And “hit and run” tactics don’t work when there are cameras on every street corner and it is a trivial problem to track people back to their suburbs.

I agree with everything except this. Those cameras are getting smashed day one. Jets and artillery are very unlikely to happen in our scenario here. APCs and AFVs? Oh absolutely, and we don't even need to have the military for that, even your podunk PD has armored vehicles now. But they're not as durable as a tank. Wheeled ones are more susceptible to mobility kills. Building dragon's teeth and porcupines isn't hard. And there are plenty of IED and urban warfare guides available, even from the US military...

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip -4 points 2 days ago (1 children)
  1. You very much underestimate how many cameras are out there or how reachable they are
  2. If you start building dragons teeth in bumfuck Wisconsin you are going to get mortared.
  3. If you start building dragons teeth in DC you are getting droned.
[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

What are you going to do against a tank? Or a jet? Or just artillery fire?

I'm going to say the same thing I say to everyone that brings this up thinking they've hit on some infallible logic.

Small arms are all you need to eliminate people at the top of command structures, thus collapsing those command structures. A sniper named Simo Häyhä had over 500 confirmed kills during WW2. His job was basically to find and kill officers. He survived the war. You can also look at the Vietnam War. The U.S. was technologically superior to the Vietnamese. We still lost and went home without our mission accomplished. Same thing in the Middle East. Never actually accomplished our goals. Went home. Because it's really hard to deal with enemies using guerilla tactics with typical firearms.

You don't seem to understand that protests, while important, don't make fascists stop being fascists. Force has always been required to put down fascist movements. If this goes far enough there will come a time when protests don't matter, at all. When that time comes are you gonna let a fascist put a bullet through the back of your skull or are you gonna pick up a firearm and do something? Can't do that if you don't have firearms. Can't do that if you haven't trained. Can't do that alone.

If this escalates far enough and people don't do as I suggested, there will be no resistance beyond protests, which won't be enough.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I literally just pointed out the "grab a gun and scream wildcats" fallacy below. Again, what is going to happen? The republicans will have experienced so many losses that they, what, pull out of the US and leave it to The Insurgents?

When that time comes are you gonna let a fascist put a bullet through the back of your skull or are you gonna pick up a firearm and do something?

Again, what are your rifles and even homemade molotovs going to do against tanks and drones and artillery? Sure, you'll kill a few soldiers on the ground. They will then pull back and bomb the fuck out of you. Or they'll just hop in the APC a shocking number of police stations have and run you down while watching tiktok on their phones

As for "just snipe officials": Wow. It really is THAT simple.

By the way, have you considered heading over to Gaza and teaching the Palestinians how to resist? They got guns and they got will. So really, the only problem is they aren't sniping the right people and killing enough soldiers per day for Israel to pull out, right? I mean, it isn't like there is a difference between a "peace keeping" force and occupiers who want to eradicate all resistance, right?

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Then give up and die. That is your choice. I don't really care. You aren't useful in the scenario we're talking about so I'm not too concerned about what happens to you. You're dead weight.