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You're still asking them to be present in a job environment. I get why you do that, but i also see why it would nark people. It's taking unpaid time for preparation for a job they may not even get.
Do you expect people to get paid for showing up to a job interview? Because that's, in essence, what it is- a second round of interviews, albeit a pretty informal one.
And since we're obviously a 24/7 operation, there's a lot of flexibility on when we can schedule it, not like most interviews where you probably have to take time off of work for it, we do a lot of them on weekends and evenings.
It's also a really good chance to see what the workplace culture and actual day-to-day reality of the job is like and to talk to people who are actually doing the job instead of just taking some suit from HR's word for it.
If it's two hours long, yes! I expect to get paid for that time. Absolutely.
I have never shadowed at a new job and had it be unpaid.
For a new job, sure, you should be getting paid. This is part of the hiring process, you don't have the job yet.
I've known a lot of people who've gotten jobs that have had a half dozen or so rounds of interviews, how many hours does that add up to? Every other interview I've ever done was at least 30-45 minutes, so after 3 rounds or so of interviews at another job you've pretty much broken even on that.
And with other jobs that's often spread over multiple days or weeks that you'd probably need to take time off from your current job for. I'd gladly take this hour or two on a night or weekend over that.
This isn't an interview.
This is live running in a work environment.
It is sitting there listening to and watching someone do the job.
They're not answering calls, they're not entering anything into the computer, they're not doing paperwork, the most they're going to be asked to do is "hey can you move your chair a bit, I need to get into that drawer"
In fact, if they tried to do any of those things they'd be kicked right the fuck out, that would be a whole mess of liability issues since they don't have any of the necessary training or certifications.
They're observing to see what the job entails. They're (hopefully) asking questions to see if it's a good fit for them, and we're seeing how they react to what they're hearing and what their attitude is like to see if they're going to be a good fit.
When I have a job shadow with me, nothing changes about how I do my job except I scoot my chair a little further to the left to make room for them, and between calls I'm chatting mostly with them instead of my coworkers or reading, and once they're done I have a short questionnaire to fill out about whether I think they're a good candidate.
They sit there quietly watching and listening to me handle calls, and in between we just chit chat. They usually ask some questions about the calls they heard me take or the job in general (they all seem to ask what the craziest call I ever took was) I usually ask a few of my own to get a feel for them. I tell them stories about the job, crack some jokes, I point out a couple things that I think are neat (like the document we have with information about what we're supposed to do if we get a call about a loose emu- it happens more often than you'd think)
Then after they leave I have a short questionnaire to fill out about if I think they're a good candidate or not.
They sit with a call-taker for about 30-45 minutes listening to 911 calls coming in, then go sit with a dispatcher for about the same amount of time to listen to calls being given out over the radio the the field units, then there's a short, pretty informal interview with the on-duty supervisors and/or someone from our training department.
They're not getting trained, they're not expected to retain any of the information or understand everything, and they're certainly not expected to be able to do the job after sitting with me. It's pretty much all about vibes. Do they like the vibe of the workplace, and do we like their vibe as a potential coworker.
Fuck me dead i'm literally just saying i can see why some people would object to the scenario, i don't need your railing manifesto misdirected at me.
I don't expect it, but it is something that good employers do. When you are taking people's time for a business purpose (i.e., having them answer questions to inform you about whether they want to hire them), the business should pay. It's an initial sign of respect to someone you may soon be asking to trust that you as a business are a good place to invest their working life and aren't going to try to steal your time and labor.
I don't know what sort of fantasy land you live in, but I've never heard of anywhere paying someone for a job interview.
Oh, well if you haven't heard of it, it must not exist. I'm apologize for knowing something you didn't and offending you by saying it's good.
Even that article is talking about it like it's some weird new idea that's "gaining traction" (reading between the lines means that this is an idea that doesn't have traction.)
It's also written by some LinkedIn "editor," so basically some chud whose job is to produce blog spam about the job market.
And the only two examples he could offer are some non profit in Toronto, and another based in the UK that I don't think even exists anymore as of a year later.
And his poll reports 5% of 3000-some responses saying this is a thing, that's gonna have some major biases because the only people who are even gonna see this poll are the kinds of weirdos who give a shit what this LinkedIn idiot says, and that sample live reflects a miniscule fraction of a percent that really can't be interpreted as a all representative of the millions of people who have had job interviews. I can't see the actual wording of how he phrased it's because I'm not gonna install the LinkedIn app, but he could also have skewed the question in a way that would include stuff like getting compensated for travel expenses to attend an interview, which is something you might reasonably expect in some cases.
Besides that and a few people like you around the internet, I really can't see anywhere saying that this is even remotely a thing, it's something that a handful of employers might do but they're a statistical anomaly.
Or they're a pyramid scheme offering you a $50 gift card to show up and "interview" to sell steak knives.
Once again, I apologize that I seem to have on offended you by knowing about a thing you did not and describing it as "not expected" (i.e., uncommon) but a thing good companies do. I'm sorry you think this only exists in a "fantasy land" and that you believe only a "chud" (look up what that actually refers to) would write about a worker-friendly practice gaining traction. I can easily see why this thing that has nothing to do with you personally would trigger such an emotional response.
If they just called it an interview would you still expect to get paid? 1 to 2 hours is pretty much the min for interviews in my field. But maybe that is very long in yours?