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If the workers have a 25 hour week with universal health care and great pensions who cares if the billionaires have spaceships to Mars?
Considering we are speaking about the US, those safety nets would come from the massive Imperialism the US commits constantly. Workers in the Global South would continue to slave away so workers in the US can live cushy lives.
In a Socialist system, we can end that, but under Capitalism there is no path to deliberately end the practice of Imperialism, as it forms the basis of US foreign policy, and why the US Empire has hundreds of millitary bases around the world.
Or we could be doing asteroid mining and getting raw materials from off-planet.
Marx and Lenin never wrote about that because they both died a century ago.
The idea of replacing all on world mining with magic sci-fi technology is exactly as implausible now as it was a century ago.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2023/10/18/this-asteroid-mining-startup-is-ready-to-launch-the-first-ever-commercial-deep-space-mission/
If we'd had Al Gore as President we'd have had an extra $5 trillion to use on this tech.
And we would continue to centralize and give power to fewer and fewer hands, when we could provide much better living standards for all.
You're ignoring the part where I said everyone has a high standard of living.
We don't live in that theoretical fantasy world, and moreover that still does not logically justify allowing a small handful of people to live like gods. I am talking about reality, not a dream you had.
lol!
Look who is talking about dreaming.
Have a nice day and don't hold your breath until the revolution.
Revolution has already happened in quite a few countries, one of them with one of the largest economies and populations on the planet. It's more a matter of time.
So, while we wait for the inevitable revolution, why not bring back the New Deal?
It wouldn't be terrible if it happened, but there's no path to actually making that happen that wouldn't make more sense to go for revolution. Even when congress was more controlled by the Democrats, no such program emerged.
Now you're saying the New Deal never existed?
No, I'm not. The conditions that led to the New Deal are entirely different from the conditions of today, so we must reexamine if such a program could be forced into passing today. I don't believe there's a path to that, unless there is already revolutionary pressure bubbling and risking the entire system.
There's the problem right there. You're ready to throw away any progress because it isn't perfect
You guys saw Ronald Reagan, but couldn't get behind Carter because he wasn't good enough.
Same with Bush and Gore, and Clinton and Trump.
You guys are the biggest friends the Right ever had.
Heck, go back to the 1930s. The Fascists then labeled themselves Anti-Communist and reaped the rewards.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. That's all you have. good intentions.
You can't just pray progress into existence. If this second New Deal has no electoral path to implementation, it doesn't exist, and ergo isn't progress. To the contrary, based on the analysis of our conditions I have done, I think revolution is genuinely more feasible than passing the New Deal again, and moreover a New Deal would not stop Imperialism, we'd need revolution anyways.
Except there was actual progress under Carter, Clinton, and Obama. It wasn't huge, but it was progress. You choosing to ignore it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
You're the one who has gone faith based. You can't give me one actual fact to make me think the USA is anywhere near a Socialist revolution.
And I can point to Blackwater and the other mercenary companies to show that if the Revolution comes, it will be instantly subverted.
There was decay under all of those, though. The US has been getting worse, using a bucket on a sinking tanker will not fix the underlying problems, we need a solution, not another bucket.
As for revolution, it is neither easy nor impossible, but rather difficult and possible. Studying revolution proves this consistently true.
You keep repeating the same thing over and over.
People should not have any health insurance at all until the Revolution comes and makes it perfect.
People should accept tanspeople getting killed until the Revolution.
We shouldn't do anything to improve anything until the revolution.
Like I said, you're the best friend the fascists ever had.
See, that's not what I said, though. I can say that it would be great to have universal healthcare, but that we cannot "pray it into existence," and therefore the question of how we get there is important. Critically, this has been a salient topic for decades, and yet the Democrats have not implemented it, nor does it seem like they would if they had the majority.
Just as important as the ideas themselves is the path to implementing them.
lol! Talk to the 45 million people who are getting Obamacare.
Even Obama called the ACA a 'starter house' but if we listened to you those folks wouldn't have anything.
Gay rights is another example of progress that was made without your Revolution.
Good bye
The ACA was a concession, and is in danger of being whisked away. Same with gay rights. Electoralist strategies are subject to the whims of Capital, not the people.
Thank you for proving my point. We should be working on preserving the gains we've made instead of focusing on a pie in the sky future.
Focus as hard as you want to, you won't be able to make a difference on what gets repealed or enacted with your strategy, hence my point.
You're hilarious.
The ACA never happened, the New Deal never happened, nothing matters unless you decide it's worthy.
You've gone from mildly amusing to shrilly repetitive. Can't waste more time on you. Go outside and touch the grass.
I already explained earlier, but we do not live in the same conditions the ACA was passed in or the New Deal. Can you explain how those passed, and why? It's not that they don't matter, it's that we do not control the levers to make them happen, the Bourgeoisie does.
Which letter confused you?
None! 👍
Imagine if you actually responded to what Cowbee says, rather than making up wild strawmen to put in his mouth
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Great way to build a powerful coalition.
Seriously, I'm so impressed your mommy hasn't put parental controls on your posting.