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[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee -2 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

I don’t believe there’s a path to that, unless there is already revolutionary pressure bubbling and risking the entire system.

There's the problem right there. You're ready to throw away any progress because it isn't perfect

You guys saw Ronald Reagan, but couldn't get behind Carter because he wasn't good enough.

Same with Bush and Gore, and Clinton and Trump.

You guys are the biggest friends the Right ever had.

Heck, go back to the 1930s. The Fascists then labeled themselves Anti-Communist and reaped the rewards.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. That's all you have. good intentions.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 0 points 2 hours ago

Great way to build a powerful coalition.

Seriously, I'm so impressed your mommy hasn't put parental controls on your posting.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

You can't just pray progress into existence. If this second New Deal has no electoral path to implementation, it doesn't exist, and ergo isn't progress. To the contrary, based on the analysis of our conditions I have done, I think revolution is genuinely more feasible than passing the New Deal again, and moreover a New Deal would not stop Imperialism, we'd need revolution anyways.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee -1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

You can’t just pray progress into existence

Except there was actual progress under Carter, Clinton, and Obama. It wasn't huge, but it was progress. You choosing to ignore it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

You're the one who has gone faith based. You can't give me one actual fact to make me think the USA is anywhere near a Socialist revolution.

And I can point to Blackwater and the other mercenary companies to show that if the Revolution comes, it will be instantly subverted.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

There was decay under all of those, though. The US has been getting worse, using a bucket on a sinking tanker will not fix the underlying problems, we need a solution, not another bucket.

As for revolution, it is neither easy nor impossible, but rather difficult and possible. Studying revolution proves this consistently true.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee -2 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

You keep repeating the same thing over and over.

People should not have any health insurance at all until the Revolution comes and makes it perfect.

People should accept tanspeople getting killed until the Revolution.

We shouldn't do anything to improve anything until the revolution.

Like I said, you're the best friend the fascists ever had.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

See, that's not what I said, though. I can say that it would be great to have universal healthcare, but that we cannot "pray it into existence," and therefore the question of how we get there is important. Critically, this has been a salient topic for decades, and yet the Democrats have not implemented it, nor does it seem like they would if they had the majority.

Just as important as the ideas themselves is the path to implementing them.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee -3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

See, that’s not what I said, though. I can say that it would be great to have universal healthcare, but that we cannot “pray it into existence,”

lol! Talk to the 45 million people who are getting Obamacare.

Even Obama called the ACA a 'starter house' but if we listened to you those folks wouldn't have anything.

Gay rights is another example of progress that was made without your Revolution.

Good bye

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

The ACA was a concession, and is in danger of being whisked away. Same with gay rights. Electoralist strategies are subject to the whims of Capital, not the people.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Thank you for proving my point. We should be working on preserving the gains we've made instead of focusing on a pie in the sky future.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Focus as hard as you want to, you won't be able to make a difference on what gets repealed or enacted with your strategy, hence my point.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

You're hilarious.

The ACA never happened, the New Deal never happened, nothing matters unless you decide it's worthy.

You've gone from mildly amusing to shrilly repetitive. Can't waste more time on you. Go outside and touch the grass.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I already explained earlier, but we do not live in the same conditions the ACA was passed in or the New Deal. Can you explain how those passed, and why? It's not that they don't matter, it's that we do not control the levers to make them happen, the Bourgeoisie does.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

You’ve gone from mildly amusing to shrilly repetitive. Can’t waste more time on you. Go outside and touch the grass.

Which letter confused you?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 hour ago
[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 hours ago

Imagine if you actually responded to what Cowbee says, rather than making up wild strawmen to put in his mouth