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What evidence or sign became apparent that it was over?

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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Uh, that was France. Or maybe I'm missing what you mean there.

Anyway, I'll copy in what I replied with, as well:

In some ways, this is worse, because they hit metaphorical stairs the whole way up as well, and where the “top” is is a matter of what you want to measure.

It’s very not-the-circlejerk, but maybe 13 should be “Rome never existed in the first place”.

Basically, you'd have to be more specific about what measure you're using. If you go by population they peaked in the 100's, and infrastructure construction peaked around the same time IIRC. Territorial expansion was actually slower in the Empire than the Republic from the start.

It's not clear what caused Rome to decline, either, to complicate things.

Edit: Sorry about the non-answer. I can't even give a date by which it was definitely in decline, because of the split into western and eastern halves with wildly divergent fates. The 400s would be the answer for Western Rome, since they had at least nominal influence all the way from Britain to Libya until then. It would be the 1200s for Eastern Rome.