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i absolutely hate how the modern web just fails to load if one has javascript turned off. i, as a user, should be able to switch off javascript and have the site work exactly as it does with javascript turned on. it's not a hard concept, people.

but you ask candidates to explain "graceful degradation" and they'll sit and look at you with a blank stare.

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[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Most websites out there could work fine without JavaScript. They rely on it because they can't be bothered to be better.

[–] rigatti@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (3 children)
[–] ackthxbye@feddit.org 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)

How about serving a proper HTML that contains the data they want to display? Instead of an empty page that tries to load the data via JavaScript.

[–] chunes@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

I miss when JS was just a silly thing you could use to add trails to the mouse cursor to impress anyone who stumbled onto your geocities page

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 days ago

They could just add a text box that says please enable JavaScript.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Glossary/Graceful_degradation

But honestly, all i ask is that buttons still work, forms get sent, if you use a more basic browser.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It is a lot simpler to just require JavaScript. It is widely supported and is default enabled on all platforms and browsers.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Sending forms is a built-in functionality and you say it's simpler to hack your way around it.

I mean, sure, if your framework does it this way. But it shouldn't. Note that as a bug.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

When I ask a server for a page, it should give me content, not a shitty script and a note that says "here, you do it."

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

That isn't how it works

You are viewing a product

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Sorry about your stroke

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Have you ever tried building a modern page without JavaScript.

You can do a lot of things with HTML5 and CSS. It just is very complicated and painful. It isn't intuitive and the behavior will vary across browsers. What could be a little JavaScript turns into a ton of write only CSS.

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 4 points 3 days ago

Yes, that's my job.

The point isn't to emulate the JavaScript functionality somehow. The point is to simply fetch the desired information as a new page load when necessary. The page should work in lynx.