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[–] Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world 59 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I remember from history class that a boat of Jewish refugees was turned away from several ports during WW2. Wild to have lived long enough to see that reason completely flip and have a decadent cruise turned away for supporting genocide.

[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 33 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

In any case, Jews =/= Israeli

[–] Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

Well, yeah. But the Israeli population is 75% Jewish and their leadership even more so. I'm holding my neighbor responsible for genocide, I'm holding Israel responsible for genocide. A critique of Israel is not an attack on Jews.

[–] enbipanic@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 days ago

Also:

Israeli=/=Israeli government

I don't care if you think all Israeli's approve of their government, ultimately those are different things.

[–] JayDee@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Refugee ships also still get intercepted and turned away from various countries. It is nice seeing the violent bigots turned away for a change, though.

[–] seejur@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Tbh most are migrating for better opportunities, not persecution, but yeah, out of all the boats that are turned away, this one is by far my favorite

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I hear this a lot, but I don't think it's the gotcha people claim it is. Most genocide in the modern day tries to aim for economic strangling by eliminating/stealing what few opportunities exist for some populations. See, for instance, the IDF's efforts to starve Gaza rather than shoot every single Palestinian. Or fascist America's efforts to deny jobs (even the ones that are not in competition) to disabled or minorities.

I don't see it as "I'ma move and get rich", I see it as "I'ma move and not starve on the street".

[–] seejur@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

That's sadly not true, at least in Europe: since most people cannot enter legally, they have to resort to illegal way, and smuggler know this, and strangle them with bribes, extra fees etc. Most "trips" to enter through Italy for example for this reason cost thousands of dollars, not something a poverty stricken family can afford. Most economic migrants are from middle class in their own countries, who are attracted by the false promises of TV shows about how everyone in Europe or other countries depict themselves, but again, are decently well of on their own countries. Source for prices: International migration and illegal costs: Evidence from Africa-to-Europe smuggling routes - ScienceDirect https://share.google/YgcY5iFUeuZLvPmPH

For the US, on the other hand, since you have a river vs a desert + sea, can be a lot cheaper