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I voted for Harris, am I allowed to be mad that the Democrats are still gung ho about Israeli genocide yet? Or do I need to shout blue no matter who for another few decades?
Not voting and voting for trump were both stupid choices. But attacking people who didn't vote for trump instead of those who did is fucking bananas and I don't get the point of this. Are we expecting a resounding vote in 2028 for Harris again is going to fix everything? Come the fuck on.
Sure are.
Because you did the right thing to help your country, despite being upset about a single issue.
You are not part of the problem.
Being pissed about Israeli genocide and thinking that it's okay to welcome in Nazis who promise to intensify the genocide if you feel really strongly that reducing genocide isn't good enough are two entirely different concepts.
Asspatting the latter is a request for them to play purity politics if we ever get a chance to vote again. And if we dig ourselves out of this fucking hole, the last thing I want to see is for us to jump right back into it because "The Dems aren't opposing genocide enough! We NEED to let the pro-genocide candidate win and murder a few million extra people to teach the DNC a lesson!"
People were saying up to a year before the election that they wouldnt vote democrat unless they stopped supporting genocide. Maybe if reductionists like you hadn't been shouting over them calling them russian trolls and pledging your undying support to the democratic candidate no matter who they are, then they would have seen how it was affecting their polls and pivoted. Instead you continue to prove to them that they can get away with anything. I dont uderstand the obtuse refusal to see that laying down an ultimatum and drawing a line in the sand is the only bargaining power you have, even if you dont intend to follow through with it, it wouldve been worth withholding support from biden and harris as long as possible.
You make an ultimatum, you better be ready for the consequences. You bet that removing support from Israel would get the Dems more votes than it would lose them, net. The Dem campaign disagreed - rightly or wrongly, it's uncertain, but probably wrongly.
Now, because of that game of chicken you played, Donald Trump is discussing how bigly he's going to help Israel genocide Gaza and the West Bank, millions are projected to die from the aid cuts already executed, immigrants are being rounded up in concentration camps, and the death penalty is being discussed for LGBT folk.
Welcome to the consequences.
You act like Biden wasn't also complicit or selling bombs to Israel. In fact, this started under him and his failure to act is why this was even a dilemma to begin with. So now im supposed to pretend that if we elected a dem he wouldnt have done the same thing biden was already doing. Lol
If I don't want to genocide people or be a party to war crimes with my tax dollars, is there any substantial difference between parties?
You do realize that support of Israel is a scale and not a boolean, right?
If your answer to "do you support genocide?" is anything other than "no", it's a deal breaker for me.
The problem is youre willing to start a genocide at home over that
Cool, so you would have supported not a single candidate in the history of the US. I'm sure all the Black folk campaigning for civil rights would have been thrilled.
Glad we agree that all US presidents have supported genocide.
The black community I am part of knows that civil rights was not won at the ballot box but on the streets. Just read Malcolm Xs Message To the Grassroots. He outright tells it like it was and rightly calls out MLK as being nothing more than a figurehead, worried more about fundraising than anything else.
But do go on and tell me more about how the DNC wants my people's freedom while simulateously locking us up and using us as pawns.
Heres an interesting example if you just want to go one at a time. Did you know the NRA and the democrats actually agreed on gun control in California? But it was only after members of the Black Panthers started open carrying. Interesting huh?
Jesus fucking Christ.
Do you not remember who was governor of Cali at the time.
I guess facts are inconvenient when you have narratives to peddle.
The Mulford Act which i referenced was passed by 34 democrats and 28 republicans.
Championed and pushed by a Republican governor. But you keep peddling your incredibly bizarre and repulsive "MLK Jr. was just a figurehead interested in fundraising and did nothing for civil rights" pov. Malcolm X said let us try the ballot, but it seems you would prefer to support Nazis.
Now now. You are twisting my words and Malcolms. Please read the letter to the grassroots which I referenced above. Here is specifically what Malcolm X said,