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Also, they don't need to justify shit and nobody wants your pity. Whether you criticize or pity them, you're disrespecting their autonomy, and your values don't align with the reality in front of you. That's a you problem.
Lol no. There's a point of derision. You can't act like something this absurd is a functional reality in their head. At some point we have to say "stop it" and that point was way before it got to using handcarts for diabetes juice.
Edit: and that's before considering that their poor choices lead to higher insurance rates for people with self control.
Telling an obese person to "stop it" is like telling a depressed person to stop being depressed, it totally ignores the underlying reasons.
I've struggled weight wise my entire life, been up and down 50 kilos over a decade, since actually getting an ADHD diagnosis and therapy it's trending downwards to where I want it to be.
I strongly believe from my own experiences (and others I know) there's a strong addiction component to obesity, would you describe smokers as having poor self control? There's a massive mental health (and genetic for that matter) component to obesity that's frankly overlooked, often can be a trauma response, maladaptive coping mechanism or as I said, addiction.
Have you ever talked to an obese person? My weight is/was a huge source of my self negativity, not a single person I know actually likes being obese, don't want to be that way, that cycle of self loathing is a spiral and it's really hard to break that, especially when society sees fit to attribute the entire condition to some sort of moral failing that makes it even harder for people to want to ask for help, let alone receive it.
I'm lucky, I've always been pretty active so judicious food logging + exercise works for me (and has in the past), others not so much. GLP-1 Agonists are an absolute godsend for people who really struggle from what I've been told (my ADHD meds kill appetite too, totally won't discount their contribution) they totally kill any food noise, actually helps keep them satiated, and importantly, kills their food stress response. Literally life changing, enabling them to actually get to a place where they can sustain it.
All of this is just the mental health components, there's other barriers in some places, food deserts are absolutely a thing and lack of walkable neighbourhoods does not help either.
I agree that there is a mental health component there. I have ADHD as well and used to smoke. But I never flung it in the face of society by smoking 3 cigarettes at once in public as a "fuck you". There's a limit to that excuse. I know how ADHD works and it doesn't discount some amount of shame. This? This is shameful. ADHD people aren't completely unaware, I know it's hard, but it's also not a complete excuse to be this obtuse.
Use pompous rhetoric all you want, buddy. Their "moral failures" are your own. It's your moral system that can't stomach reality. And, are these guys CEO's of an insurance company? Seems like it with the fact this isn't the first time I've encountered this moronic point. I'm not familiar.
Insurance works as a risk pool. If you have an increased number of high cost members in the pool, such as those prone to all the conditions long known to be associated with morbid obesity, it raises the cost outlays for the pool, and thus by association the premiums demanded to cover said costs.
Money in must equal money out plus administrative costs, spend more out, need more in, from everyone, or should we selectively charge the hight cost members more?
Of course not, that would be fatphobic. /s
Are you fucking kidding me? You're really going blame American healthcare on two people minding their business? Man, reasoning isn't hard to do. Make a fucking chart. A leads to B. B leads to C, D relies on A, B, and C being true... Maybe putting this shit on paper will help you out.
Bad troll, be less obvious
I'm an OG troll. I was doing it before the term existed. No. Good trolling is about arguing a position you don't give a shit about to make people mad. That was fun for 12 year old me. I enjoyed going on YouTube videos for like, undeniably legendary artists, and trying to convert people to listening to The Jonas Brothers. Nah. These days, you get unadulterated sincerity. You need to do reasoning better, and there are literally free classes all over the internet to help you with that. It seems like being aware of common logical fallacies helps a lot of people. You could start there. Maybe look up "how to structure an argument". I dunno. I learned my reasoning by being a prepubescent atheist in a conservative area when nobody, at least around there, even knew not believing in God was a thing. Anyways, not trolling. You can do it. I believe in you
You've been all over the post making absurd statements of them being CEOs, writing someones's policy, or that these two specifically where blamed for the US healthcare.
If you have a larger proportion of unhealthy people in a population, particularly with preventable conditions simply by making better choices to live healthier lives, then you inevitably will have more costs to bear as a society, weather that's in the current fractured insurance world or a single payer system which amounts to one universal insurance pool paid by the public taxes.
To claim otherwise is just as impossible as to say we should make no efforts at preventing and discouraging smoking. Cancer costs money and if someone costs the entity footing the bill $$$ it's going to come from somewhere.
So that's either all of us and we all pay for the other's bad choices, or we collectively look to minimize the pursuit of bad choices, or when selectively burden those making bad choices with the bill for them.
I am an advocate for calling people out and using our human emotions like shame or anger to induce change in a person. That's a big influence on how we learn. Your view disregards root causes of these "problems": the American healthcare system and your own constructed ideal self. These people ain't grabbing your wallet. They're not going to change from a comment they'll never read. You are demanding strangers cater to your private standards. You are reprimanding or shunning projected parts of yourself. Nothing to do with these people being photographed like zoo animals. Mind your business
And I'm speaking of math that's not going to change because of your being upset about it.
But you misplace the blame. To clarify my position, I advocate abolishing money, not single payer. You're a systems thinker. It's silly to blame an individual for a flawed system not working.
I didn't blame an individual, I blame whole classes of individuals who are waddling around scarfing down soda and McD's but blaming their genetics. Or smokers, or any other class of people made unwell by their own choices that you mean to subsidize the care of in this post-monetary hippy commune model of medicine proposed.
There it is. Bigotry. Hey, my proposal has 1 variable to change. Yours has 136,000,000 based on our 40 percent obesity rate.
Actually yours has a whole society to uproot and coerce the labor of in order to have your free care.
But sure, calling unhealthy people making bad choices a bad thing is bigotry. Notably America has quite the reputation for being fat, we must all be cursed with some poor genetics or medical conditions that the rest of the world don't have.
You called the concept of them and similar others costing the rest of society money due to increased insurance and healthcare costs moronic. I provided how they do so, you haven't addressed that at all other than to propose that doctors and medical suppliers should work for free.
I know how insurance works. You don't know my views, and I do not care to explain them to you. And yes. Judging an entire class of people sounds a whole lot like bigotry. Anyways, I'll respect your autonomy and let you keep sipping the sweet nectar of superiority.
These are severely ill people who will die prematurely even if they get the help that they need. Do you walk up to cancer patients and go: "oh you are so beautiful just the way you are, never change"?
Nope. Just told my uncle the other day that we both know his weight will kill him. Then, I respected his autonomy. See, you can criticize those close to you without shaming strangers and projecting your insecurities onto them. If they want to eat themselves to death, that's their fucking business.
That's the thing though. We do care for suicidal people in this society. We should care even if they're killing themselves slowly. It's not a choice they're making. It's literally mental illness.
As a suicidal person, no we fucking don't care about suicidal people in this society.