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Are you fucking kidding me? You're really going blame American healthcare on two people minding their business? Man, reasoning isn't hard to do. Make a fucking chart. A leads to B. B leads to C, D relies on A, B, and C being true... Maybe putting this shit on paper will help you out.
Bad troll, be less obvious
I'm an OG troll. I was doing it before the term existed. No. Good trolling is about arguing a position you don't give a shit about to make people mad. That was fun for 12 year old me. I enjoyed going on YouTube videos for like, undeniably legendary artists, and trying to convert people to listening to The Jonas Brothers. Nah. These days, you get unadulterated sincerity. You need to do reasoning better, and there are literally free classes all over the internet to help you with that. It seems like being aware of common logical fallacies helps a lot of people. You could start there. Maybe look up "how to structure an argument". I dunno. I learned my reasoning by being a prepubescent atheist in a conservative area when nobody, at least around there, even knew not believing in God was a thing. Anyways, not trolling. You can do it. I believe in you
You've been all over the post making absurd statements of them being CEOs, writing someones's policy, or that these two specifically where blamed for the US healthcare.
If you have a larger proportion of unhealthy people in a population, particularly with preventable conditions simply by making better choices to live healthier lives, then you inevitably will have more costs to bear as a society, weather that's in the current fractured insurance world or a single payer system which amounts to one universal insurance pool paid by the public taxes.
To claim otherwise is just as impossible as to say we should make no efforts at preventing and discouraging smoking. Cancer costs money and if someone costs the entity footing the bill $$$ it's going to come from somewhere.
So that's either all of us and we all pay for the other's bad choices, or we collectively look to minimize the pursuit of bad choices, or when selectively burden those making bad choices with the bill for them.
I am an advocate for calling people out and using our human emotions like shame or anger to induce change in a person. That's a big influence on how we learn. Your view disregards root causes of these "problems": the American healthcare system and your own constructed ideal self. These people ain't grabbing your wallet. They're not going to change from a comment they'll never read. You are demanding strangers cater to your private standards. You are reprimanding or shunning projected parts of yourself. Nothing to do with these people being photographed like zoo animals. Mind your business
And I'm speaking of math that's not going to change because of your being upset about it.
But you misplace the blame. To clarify my position, I advocate abolishing money, not single payer. You're a systems thinker. It's silly to blame an individual for a flawed system not working.
I didn't blame an individual, I blame whole classes of individuals who are waddling around scarfing down soda and McD's but blaming their genetics. Or smokers, or any other class of people made unwell by their own choices that you mean to subsidize the care of in this post-monetary hippy commune model of medicine proposed.
There it is. Bigotry. Hey, my proposal has 1 variable to change. Yours has 136,000,000 based on our 40 percent obesity rate.
Actually yours has a whole society to uproot and coerce the labor of in order to have your free care.
But sure, calling unhealthy people making bad choices a bad thing is bigotry. Notably America has quite the reputation for being fat, we must all be cursed with some poor genetics or medical conditions that the rest of the world don't have.
You called the concept of them and similar others costing the rest of society money due to increased insurance and healthcare costs moronic. I provided how they do so, you haven't addressed that at all other than to propose that doctors and medical suppliers should work for free.
I know how insurance works. You don't know my views, and I do not care to explain them to you. And yes. Judging an entire class of people sounds a whole lot like bigotry. Anyways, I'll respect your autonomy and let you keep sipping the sweet nectar of superiority.