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'Europe must ban American Big Tech and create a European Silicon Valley' (www.tilburguniversity.edu)
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[โ€“] wax@feddit.nu 43 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Open source and socialised software across the EU please, not predatory big tech companies.

[โ€“] toppy@lemy.lol 0 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

How will it work ? If there is no profit because of open source and socialised software. Then how will companies hire people. Already there are many open source softwares on the market like linus. Open source will not become big like USA silicon valley.

[โ€“] kadup@lemmy.world 6 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

We already have a gigantic ecosystem of libre solutions to many problems, from entire operating systems to document standards to media codecs to encryption libraries. Open source already won, there's nothing to be proven.

Nothing stops a government, much less a group as powerful as the EU block, to fund libre technology. It's an investment into a safer, more controllable and fair digital ecosystem, that will pay dividends when this same government isn't stuck paying an American company or having data stolen. There's no need for a profit.

Even then, you absolutely can turn a profit with libre software, especially if you have a massive political interest working against your competitors.

[โ€“] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

What if the government tells a social media site they have to ban people from criticizing them or they'll lose funding?

Open source sure, that's fine. But someone's gotta pay for running the servers and if the government can cut that funding they have influence over it. That's a level of government control over the media that's a little concerning.

Better to have the the government make regulations requiring companies to make it easy to switch to another company. Like changing to another phone company, you can keep the same number (because of regulations) so people can still call you without even knowing you changed companies even if they have a phone from a different manufacturer using a different phone company.

You can do the same with things like social media, just need to have regulations requiring protocols to allow people to change services easily and connect with other services so there's not a network effect making people stay on shit services because it's what all their friends use. People should own their data, own their contacts and companies should compete by providing better services rather than by making it difficult to leave the services they're currently on.

Handing over your date to the government isn't a better solution than handing it over to a private company. The real solution is to ensure people own their data.

[โ€“] Miaou@jlai.lu 1 points 5 hours ago

Newspapers predate the internet I've heard, and even European newspapers have online presence now. Why would any of that get worse with a more sovereign EU?

If you're talking social media, then more control is required. This is pretty much the only reason the topic is even brought up at all. I'd much rather have our courts control speech than Nazis.

[โ€“] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -1 points 22 hours ago

One of old lines against left is that it's just people who want free stuff.

Left ideologies are not, in fact, about getting more free stuff (and the "bread and circuses" thing originates earlier than right or left liberalism, and is used just as well by right factions, and Rome is generally loved by the right more than by the left, making a funny comparison to Sparta which is more loved by the left, while Athens is again loved more by the right).

Still, see, in a situation where European nations are gradually becoming less and less democratic, without significant resistance utilizing modern technologies for building a dystopia worse than cyberpunk books promised, and the questions in computing revolve around dependence on governments and corporations in all things done with computers, - in this situation you write about "open source and socialized".

Not about using those same technologies for building a direct democracy before "elected representatives" use them to make us serfs or surplus biomass. Not about using them to track all state officials' locations and their finances (if they don't want that, they can pick another job). Not about revision of patent systems benefiting corporations and in practice making any truly free system of communication on the Internet dubiously legal.

No, about "open source" - which is the "circuses" here, for things to be cool and interoperable, and about "socialized" - which is the "bread" here.