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(As a general concept of how a society should run, not intended as a US-specific question.)

I sometimes see people on the internet saying that giving people easy access to guns is too risky and there should be stricter gun control, while simultaneously wanting to abolish the police? I'm just confused on what people really want?

You cant both abolish the police and then also disarm the citizens, gotta pick one. So which is it, internet? Self-policing with guns? Or reform the police?

[Please state what country you're in]

::: spoiler


(Also its funny how the far-right of the US is both pro-gun and pro-police, I'm confused by that as well) :::

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[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 3 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Also, I suspect people who are anti-gun have never had violence inflicted upon them

Have you considered that some have just had violence inflicted upon them by people with guns?

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I understand your point but guns are a great equalizer for anyone who isn't a young, strong male. Gun vs gun is more equal than fist vs fist or whatever else would be happening instead.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Except that when you allow guns to be purchased widely, malcontents will always purchase them in greater quantities and more frequently, by nature of being malcontents and attracted to something that gives them more power.

Because guns are not inherently an equalizer, they are just a way of giving someone an enormous amount of deadly power. If you give two people that same enormous amount of deadly power then it can equalize them compared to where they were before, but that is the only case where they equalize things, and they've equalized them by making them both twitchy dangerous live grenades.

I.e. I can equalize milk that's a month old and milk that I just bought by leaving them both in the sun for a few hours. That doesn't mean I've made society better or safer. Like I said, the arguments for gun ownership only ever make sense in an anecdotal one off scenario. Every single one falls apart when you examine its effects at a society wide, systemic level.