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(As a general concept of how a society should run, not intended as a US-specific question.)

I sometimes see people on the internet saying that giving people easy access to guns is too risky and there should be stricter gun control, while simultaneously wanting to abolish the police? I'm just confused on what people really want?

You cant both abolish the police and then also disarm the citizens, gotta pick one. So which is it, internet? Self-policing with guns? Or reform the police?

[Please state what country you're in]

::: spoiler


(Also its funny how the far-right of the US is both pro-gun and pro-police, I'm confused by that as well) :::

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[–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Exactly. A gun is not a car; it has no other purpose other than to kill. The “tool” argument is disingenuous at best.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Tbf, a hammer is also a tool with only one use, sometimes a job needs a specific tool. "Killing" just so happens to include self defense, if you happen to need to defend yourself it helps to have the best tool for the job instead of hammering a nail with your wrench.

[–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works -2 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

A gun is not the only means of self defense; in fact, They’re terrible at it. Ironically, a hammer is probably a better tool for self defense.

Edit go ahead and downvote me, facts don’t care about your feelings.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 7 hours ago

274 justifiable homicides involving a private citizen using a firearm

Ok, and how many defensive uses of a firearm occurred that year where the defender did not kill the attacker? Cases where the attacker was merely injured, or the defender missed, or the attacker ran off at the sight of the firearm? Why are those entirely omitted, does it only count as self defense if the attacker dies, not if one successfully stops the attack without a justifiable homicide?

And while we're at it, how many justifiable homicides occurred that year with your defensive weapon of choice, The Hammer? If the metric used to determine a weapon's viability for defense is simply justifiable homicides/yr, blind bet: it's less than 274.

Btw

only 1.1 percent of victims of attempted or completed violent crimes used a firearm,

While around 45% of people own a gun, only 21% of people carry a gun ever, and even less carry everywhere always, and this figure doesn't take into account whether or not the victims had a gun on them with which to defend themselves. This stat is entirely meaningless without controling for that.

and only 0.3 percent of victims of attempted or completed property crimes used a firearm.

Well that's illegal unless you're in Texas at night, so, unless that's all they're counting this makes me further question the voracity of the study. You're telling me that 0.3 percent of people in the study successfully justifiably killed someone for something that is illegal to kill people for? That's not how this works lol.