Political Memes

/u/ZombiFrancis can correct me if I’m wrong but I think what they’re saying is that the DNC was unable to redefine what is perceived as electable;

That would contradict their statements in response to my criticism

And yeah, I still support my own point, now and from a year ago, because I don’t dismiss the support as empty land.

At any rate the criticism in both cases is the rejection of those ‘empty land’ folks. It is consistent. I supported it then and I support it now. What I don’t support is then turning around and dismissing those people and states as empty land. This isn’t rocket surgery.

the stale notion that progressivism is not palatable to rural working class voters despite evidence to the contrary.

It's literally not, though. As I've said numerous times before, the "Do you want [GOOD THING]?" polling that people so often point to ignores that a very large proportion of the people who respond positively to that will walk it back the moment you introduce any sort of the things that conservatives hammer as a downside.

The answer is, mind you, not to water down progressivism - it's to stop trying to fucking bend over backwards for areas that vote 95%+ (not joking, I lived near districts with those numbers) GOP every fucking election. While going immediately full-throttle far-left on every issue may not be ideal, Clintonesque 'triangulation' is a clear and distinct failure, and needs to be abandoned, despite the DNC's reluctance to let it go. We do, as you said, need a coherent and firm vision we can push going forward.

But don't be fooled into thinking there's some easy way to reach out and 'convert' these rural working class voters. They have fundamentally different values than progressives.