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Pursuit predation/persistence hunting has to be one of the most metal characteristics about humans.
Also our accuracy and reach when throwing stuff.
Especially when combined with our ability to make stuff sharp by banging it against other stuff and breaking it just the right way.
Atlanta!!! Here's a random video i haven't watched about it. The Atlanta doubles your spear throwing range https://youtu.be/YT_s1CEAhkA
Atlatl. Or simply spear-thrower.
It's a bit like a fing-longer, but for your whole arm, and therefore more useful.
Same principle as the sling: they make your arm longer so the "hand" moves faster when you swing it, allowing you to throw stuff at higher and more lethal speeds, and farther.
We're still quite lethal even without these tools though, just look at baseball pitchers.
Do you mean atlatl or do people in American Georgia just throw real good?
I like your version better
Ah yes, there is a surprisingly common mutation in Georgia that causes humans to be born with an additional elbow and forearm on each arm. The Atlanta mutation it is commonly called. This is why, famously, people born in the state of Georgia are prohibited from participating in any Olympic event that involves throwing or hurling objects.
Not according to Atlanta's 39-50 record this season. They ain't even going to make the wildcard round. Even my pathetic Minnesota Twins are 10 games better than that. And they are still under .500.
And THEN add to that that once you got hit with the spear and are running slower, a wolf just appears and starts hunting you too.
Imagine being hunted by 2 different apex predators working together
I went on a hike and a coyote started hunting me on the last mile back to the car. I carry at least a large stick when I hike now.
Shit that’s scary. I’m glad to be living in Central Europe. Scariest thing here is the Rabbit of Caerbannog (a.k.a. the Legendary Black Beast of Arrrghhh)
I live where we have plenty of wolves and black bears around. Even a cougar or two now. Ain't a one of them that like being around a human. Much like crocodiles and hippos, the crocs understand that if you mess with a baby hippo, a much large hippo WILL turn you into a nice pair of shoes, a purse, and a brief case in a heartbeat.
Though to be honest, there are a couple of places I've bumped a cougar and seen tracks that when I go there alone, I do carry a pistol for self defense. Cats ain't smart and it's always better to have a means to be safe than sorry.
Coyotes don't hunt humans, though it may have been receiving food from other hikers which could cause that behavior.
'Yotes ain't so proud as to not scavenge a human encampment when no one was looking........
Then later in history....
An hawk flies down and attacks you, joining the wolves and the humans. They've got the fucks birds in on it now! God is dead.
What I never got about this theory is, fine, you run after the Ptadgedrwgydon for 87kms, when it gives up due to exhaustion and you kill it with a stone. What now? You're 87kms away with a carcass that weighs 500kg, how do you get back the food to the tribe?
This is how we learned to be nomads. Kill big thing, bring camp to big thing, hang out until big thing is all eaten.
I figured they chased them in a big circle. Or did laps. Or anything other than a completely straight line.
I can imagine... "You, c*nt! Would you mind turning left a bit? Thanks!"
This is how Komodo Dragons hunt, too.
That's probably part of the reason why the evidence of persistence hunting being used as an actual hunting technique, compared to ambush hunting or trapping is incredibly slim. And that's the reason why there's really no scientific consensus that persistence hunting was a major thing at all.
The tribe can walk.
Group hunting for mega-fauna. Partial field-processing of remains, beyond a dressing.
idk, moose hunters might still. Is there a moose hunter at the forum today..?
Moose hunters just shoot them these days. The only time anyone is running any more is when they are headed to a charger for their phone because the charge is down to 10%
We were talking about the after killing part, specifically.
Field dressing, meat logistics, leather processing and whether you're saving the brains for that or not.
Thanks for your enthusiam. Feel free to reply with information more directly related to getting meat and craft materials back to camp.
Oh, you want a classroom lesson. After the kill you have one of two choices. You can either cut up the animal and carry it home in pieces, making multiple trips to do so if alone. Or you can process the animal on the spot. Taking a few days to do so.
If you are persistence hunting, you are almost always hunting in a pack. And everyone can carry something back to the camp. Remember: Not everything is going to be brought back. A moose will dress out maybe at 50% at best. And you leave what you can't carry or don't want behind. Modern hunters often do similar today. If I can't get a pickup or 4 wheeler to the spot, I field dress the deer and cut it into quarters and make a couple of trips to carry the meat out. A 200lbs deer will yield about 90lbs of edible meat-- give or take. Easily carried out by one person in 2 trips.
Or you can process the carcass on the spot. It was a common hunting technique in the North Americas to run a herd of animals like bison off a cliff to kill or cripple them. It might take a day or two to set things up, but as the hunt began and the herd was funneled to the cliff, the rest of the group, those that weren't able to actively participate in the hunt, would follow at a distance behind the hunters. When the herd was run off the cliff, everyone would set up camp right by the kill area and simply eat and process as much as they wanted for later. Again, leaving behind what they couldn't process or want.
All this information is available by a simple search if you want to know more. A method I highly encourage everyone to use to gain knowledge.
Yep. That's what I was recomending! Thanks for volunteering your time.
I learned it from Clan of the Cavebear series, which was slightly more digestible than an encyclopedia. (I like reading encyclopedia, but know most people need a little human interest to stay focused)
That's probably as much detail as we're going to cram on lemmy, but the details of what organs and musculoskelular parts can be used for what, or what packs up or processes down surprisingly well, and thus prioritized for carriage.
Thanks for helping unpack this for the lurkers. People like to hear different voices and angles on a subject, rightly.
https://ourworldindata.org/quaternary-megafauna-extinction
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I'm assuming this menu is specific to the Voyager app rather than to Lemmy itself:
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Oh, I never knew this was a thing (also Voyager user), thanks!
Now I got it, thank you
That would be a terrifying way to die.
Wasn't that the premise of the Slenderman video game?
get with the times, gramps, its all about the backrooms now