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This, but private seating in your personal driveway.
Wait, outdoor sitting is a thing only in europe?
Basically yes.
We don't do that in the US anywhere near as much.
Maybe a park will have a table and bench, maybe some certain restaurants in certain parts of certain cities will have them.
But its much, much less common, as our society is designed to be unwalkable, designed for cars and parking lots and air conditioning.
Most places where I am in California have outdoor seating options, but it’s more common to have it behind the restaurant in a little courtyard than in front right next to the street.
While I generally agree with the sentiment, the distinction is if there's outside seating it's either a park, or owned by a restaurant. It's not like the blend of the street, sidewalk, businesses you see in Europe
I agree with your specification.
The kind if mixed use, areas that are walkable, have seating, various kinds of shops... usually only in a few districts of a few fairly large towns or large cities.
There is seating, sometimes, in like... restaurants in basically a strip mall type set up... but they're like islands, surrounded by acres of parking lots.
Where have you been in the US?
All the way up and down the West Coast, multiple times, over the course of more than 2 decades of being driving age... from Bellingham WA down to LA / San Diego... many, many places in between... also many places all the way out to South Dakota via I 90.
If I gave you a full list, I'd have to rewrite Johnny Cash's "I've been everywhere"... I've actually been to a good number of places in the original lyrics.
The towns and cities around me in Massachusetts have quite a bit of restaurant outdoor seating on sections of sidewalk.
Anywhere in MA I can rent a studio apt for ~$700 a month?
Probably not lol, I'm on SSDI, but an actual proper city/town sounds great!
Not anywhere near here.. Maybe western MA, but that's a completely different vibe.
Yeah, I'm in Jersey and it's pretty easy to find places with outdoor seating. Got several in my small town.
I will say that the feel is not quite the same as sitting somewhere in Paris, or Nice, or Aix. They angle all the chairs to face outward, I've noticed, and the tables are so often just tables for two. I'm sure I'm misremembering a bit, but the sentiment still stands, to me. The outdoor seating is almost geared toward sit here and look out, not at your tablemate, and do some people watching. I love it.
Fire codes prevent it in NA for a large part. Building have specific occupancy limits, and having booted down seats has exceptions for more space than loose chairs, and businesses usually want the capability of having the largest revenue, so most seats.
Now this also applies outside as those would have to be part of their property. In most cities restaurants and the sort they are built right to their property limits, or they incorporate a patio with set seating.
So if you do see it, it’s not movable furniture, but an actual area. Now along one of our drivable Aves they’ve made compromises, picture below, I don’t hate the solution, but it’s obviously not ideal and hard to accommodate wheelchairs.
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They’ve allowed sidewalks to be patios, and let some road space be made into the “sidewalk”, but it’s not a perfect solution, especially when it starts snowing.
It's a thing on most of the world. But it seems not to be a thing on a large part of the US.
FUN FACT: This restaurant's name translates to Lesbians Dicks Maggots!
Well, I guess if you ask the right translator, it may.
Correct, and that'll be me, go on - give it a try
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