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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

I am not saying that not voting for the dems is ‘fine’.

Sorry, then. I see the "not entitled" phrasing all the time in the context of justifying not voting for the Dems.

If there are the perpetrators (djt voters and the literal ghouls), the victim are necessarily the remaining group. Just because there were those disenfranchised, doesn’t mean those are the perpetrators, no they are also victims. Just like those who voted against it.

I disagree. People can be, and often are, both victims and perpetrators of that same crime.

Usually, the party in power loses the election, rather than the opposition ‘winning’ per se on merit out right. They lose it by losing their support through their own actions, or public perception of their actions (which they should be trying to influence). So how did the dems lose 2024? Unless it was stolen which is, quite possible.

I mean, the sitting president was a Dem, so they were the party in the power.

The Dems lost for a number of reasons, but the biggest, I would say, are:

  1. Biden choosing to run, and then dropping out. Dropping out was the best decision once it was clear that he was going to lose (something which his campaign, apparently, knew quite early on by internal polling but refused to acknowledge), but choosing the failing run, after implying he would be a one-term president, and then shunting it all to his VP at the last second was fucking ruinous. The resulting campaign was a mess, and there was a significant contingent of low-info voters who were, on election day, confused that Joe Biden wasn't running.

  2. Harris being an empty suit without any ideals or charisma.

  3. The Harris campaign being run by utter lunatics and incompetents.

The Dems will only change when they rally around something they see as winning them support. But the only recent example of this, Zohran Mamdani who has huge public support, is being fought with more gusto by the majority of Democrats than they have ever fought DJT.

This is untrue. Some high-ranking Dems have failed to rally around Mamdani like they should, and that is legitimately unacceptable - but the idea that Dems are fighting Mamdani more than they fought Trump is just not in-line with reality. Nor, for that matter, is it the majority of Dems.

Because if you don’t hold them in contempt, but instead hold other victims in contempt (even if they didn’t vote or voted something silly), then you are essentially reinforcing the bad behaviour even further.

Oh, don't worry. I have plenty of contempt to go around. Most of my contempt is towards the most active perpetrators of this fascist insanity, but as you yourself note here, failing to hold perpetrators in contempt reinforces bad behavior - and celebration of sabotage of anti-fascist coalitions is absolutely bad behavior.