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I’m not sure if I want this to fail or succeed.
Hopefully it has success at breaking us from our failed two party system, while at the same time the party itself fails (and costs him lot of money in the process).
We'll need ranked choice (or some other voting scheme other than First Past The Post). Otherwise it'll just end up the same as it always has.
Need new rules in House and Senate, too. The majority party gets majority in all the committees, gets to pick all the committee chairs, etc. All of the current non-D/non-R members 'caucus' with one of the major parties, making them de facto members of that party. A third party with enough representation to block the other two from gaining majority would almost certainly end up in an alliance with one, leaving us back with functional two-party politics.
I'll gladly accept a reactionary centrist spoiler party into the mix. Especially if it coincides with the Clinton wing of the DNC losing its ability to maintain its grip on power.
What is the “Clinton wing” of the DNC?
The Dems who, since the shock of the Reagan revolution, swore off having a political project beyond "don't make it worse" but accidentally foreclosed on making things better in the process. More recently, they've been heard saying things like "nothing will fundamentally change" in the face of a political situation that is very different from 40 years earlier.
Basically all the powerful Dems since Bill Clinton. Groups like the Democratic Leadership Council. They'll poo poo ideas that regularly poll at 80% support across all parties, then spend all their political capital barely carrying a compromise position with 48% support across the finish line.
I really hope that we're reaching a tipping point where people who believe in a better world and pursue policies to bring it about can have sustained political success
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Way
Elon Musk, the neonazi, centrist?
Yes, and without it, any third party struggles to take hold. This new party could make ranked choice voting a bipartisan(tripartisan?) issue since they would need it to survive unless they really think they can just yank all of the R votes their way.
Same as it ever was. Same. As. It. Ever. Was
Breaking the US from the failed 2-party system would require replacing first-past-the-post voting with at least ranked choice, if not a proportional system like Hare-Clarke, and probably scrapping the Electoral College altogether. Which may require constitutional amendments, or at least a partisan Supreme Court sympathetic to more democracy that would Chewbacca-defence it through regardless of legality.
Pretty sure they hoped something similar about Hitler.
It can’t due to the winner takes all voting system. At best it will replace one party with another.
Best case scenario is it will split the right wing vote. In Canada, we're used to it going the other way with conservatives taking advantage of a split left.
Washington Post columnists said it would probably just capture the "Never Trumper" moderate Republican voters who currently begrudgingly vote Democratic because they understand that the Republican Party is nominating only yes-men and fascists.
Washington Post isn't exactly a beacon of truth and justice.
Especially not their opinion column but I'm just posting here because it's interesting to see what the neoliberals think about it and it's a good discussion point
Washington Post is Murdoch connected as of December 2023 (new leader and Bezos began to flex his muscles at the paper). I hesitate to call it neoliberal. It's moved right of that.
If you actually bother to read it (regularly, not just once or twice on selected columns that you saw posted online), you would not think that. The opinion column is very neoliberal with a hint of libertarianism.
I was an active subscriber who regularly read WashPo.
Ruth Marcus, Alexandra Petri and a whole slew of other liberals have left the post after the 2024 election and various tampering by Jeff Bezos. Or have you not noticed the change of writers yourself??
The ones who remained are hardly NeoLiberal, but overall have shifted farther and farther right. Jeff Bezos killing a few key OpEds have made it clear to the liberals that they are no longer welcome at the Washington Post.
Or what? You gonna try to convince me that Hugh Hewitt is a liberal or some shit?
Republican never Trumper that doesn't vote GOP is likely vanishingly small. They all fall in line.
It might siphon off the GOP voters that begrudingly fell in line because they bought the Communist Kamala or something, or the ones that needed to see Trump disaster a second time.
The Dems leaned hard on the never Trumpers for votes last year and you can see where that got them. Elon can have them.
Same with the USA, the US Green Party is funded by Conservative PACs such as Badger Values. If there were left unity then the 8 million people who showed up for Biden 2020 would have shown up for Harris 2024, but a lot of people are convinced the DNC aren't left enough and that primary elections are shams.
I want him to split the GOP vote. Basically just a Jill Stein that believes his own swill.
Yeah...
At best, it splits the MAGAt vote, making Dems a clear winner.
At worst, it takes some GenZ dipshit votes away from Dems and causes chaos.
Gen z men are already voting republican
Dumb little bastards, voting against their own interests
Cut the age blame crap. They did nothing different than the rest of our society. Don't let our generations fall for the same tactics as the generations before us. Our war needs to be a class war, not some stupid "young people are lazy nowadays" bullshit that EVERY high horse ignorant person has said for the last 200 years. Do the youth a favor and look upon anyone who singles them out and trys to separate us with disgrace. Respect is a 2 way street. Let's be better
You youngsters will blame the next generation as well. You just aren't old enough to see the pattern yet.
I think your beef should be with all men then. As Trump voters increased in men by age. So you could factually say Gen Z men were the least likely to vote for Trump as well
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All/most of them, or a few mediagenic alt-right examples the press can trot out as proof of “young men want fascism and Latin Mass” when they run out of MAGA-hatted Ordinary Americans in flyover-state diners?
You should check those numbers, because it went 51% to Harris. Splitting that means good things for Dems though. Dilution through stupidity.
Is it bad that I just expect a split Right-wing vote just allows the Dems to slide even more right and still win?
Success means a split of the Republicans, because the vast majority of Dems aren't going to follow Elon after these last few months.
If it splits the republican party and removes the old white billionaires from the dems than I’m 100% for it.
I think it already has.
I want it to split republicans and have both of them spectacularly fail elections.
Is it splits the Republican vote, I’m all for it
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I want this to succeed wildly.
Yes.
I want this to succeed in the destruction of both the GOP and Just in.