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I’ve heard it’s from LOTR but I’m not very into that but want to understand what that foreshadows for this dystopian data grabbing nightmare company

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[–] PeregrinoCinzento@lemmy.pt 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Thiel doesn't see himself like Sauron, but like the Great and Good Kings of old, of the Númenor Empire...Numenorians lived hundreds of years and were good and noble, and most important, white.

They had the Palantirs, orbs that could connect the distant realms of the Empire...imagine colonial England with palantirs and Lords that lived hundreds of years.

Númeror was sunk by God (big G) because of the hubris of this Aryans that thought they could set sail to the land of the gods (small g's)

With time, most of the Palantirs were lost. Most people didn't even knew they existed. (Most people don't know about Thiel and palantir either.)

Both Gondor and Isengard (city/fortress) had one.

And has other lemming has said, the palantirs work both ways.

So both Saruman (Isengard) and Denethor (Gondor) thought they could use the "power" of the palantirs to subjugate and rule.

But Sauron had one. And more power and knowledge about them.
So he used the 2 way channel of the palantirs to corrupt them whenever one of them connected with the orb. (Like Russia used the social media apps to corrupt discontent people into turning more and more to the right.)

So.

Like I said at the beginning.
Thiel doesn't see himself has Sauron. I think.

He seems himself has one of the great kings of the ancient white Empire that lost the pride and diluted the blood, all because of foreigners... (Aragon has numenorian blood...but diluted...so in the films your are seeing a 80 year old man. But he will not reach the hundreds of years that his ancestors lived.)

Thiel wants to live forever, believes in eugenics and dynasties, and has a company called Palantir to spy on the whole world...

He must see himself has Aragon reforging Narsil and remaking the old white Empire.

Edit: I know Aragon is good. I'm saying Thiel thinks he is good too. The irony is that he is the last days of Númenor, and not really the glory of the good old days.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No matter who he sees himself as, his actions are those of Saruman.

[–] PeregrinoCinzento@lemmy.pt 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Sure. Sauron was the one who corrupted the kings and people of Númenor and led to the downfall of the Empire. So I tend to agree with you.

Replace sauron with thiel and Empire with the States (world?), and yeah, spot on.

But sauron didn't create the palantirs.

And my point was that HE SEES HIMSELF as one of the good, wise, near imortal kings of Numenor before the corruption of Sauron.

This is reality. There isn't a sauron to blame. And I don't like that Tolkien thinks that white people are flawless without a devil like thing to corrupt them.

But he was Christian...and a thing i learned about religion is that all glory is to God and all fault is to the devil(s)...people are inherently pure and Good. /s

Happy account day 🫡

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

The horrible culture of the US is Sauron. All the racism, exploitation of immigrants, sexism, genocide of the native peoples, colonialism, deepthroating of capitalism, and other terrible aspects of society are what lead to Thiel being who he is.