“The audacity of the wheeled cannon is the maximum efficiency,” Beaudouin told Defense News. “You sacrifice nothing in terms of firepower, rate of fire, precision and range, and you’ve got a truck, armored all the same, but which is able to be nimble, which is very stealthy.”

Beaudouin was part of the French Army’s decision to buy an upgraded Caesar, so he might be suspected of bias toward wheels. But at least nine other countries, including the U.K. and Germany, decided to invest in self-propelled wheeled howitzers in the past year. Analysts said the Ukrainian experience is driving military planners’ interest.

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Interest in wheeled self-propelled artillery flows from a desire for a “much higher degree of mobility and survivability” than towed guns, said Daniels. Military staff who see wheels as an attractive option over tracks “often define survivability in a broader way, as opposed to seeing it purely from the physical protection offered by onboard armor,” he added.

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“Ukrainian use of shoot-and-scoot artillery fire suggests that the future lies in highly mobile artillery, be they tracked or wheeled,” Jones said.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14513149/Russia-nightmare-Ukraine-best-artillery-guns.html

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[–] Olap@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

How many more men do you think you would need to overturn a 10:1 artillery advantage then?

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I would not want to see it, that is for sure, that is one of the worst questions one could imagine desiring to answer...

...if you really want to know.. look at some of the battles between colonizing european forces and much much much much larger and more powerful indigenous forces that didn't know how badly cannons dismantle your previous idea of war...

It isn't pretty history and it resulted in the wrong people winning, so let's not forget the lessons of history ok?

To put this another way, while the US military has quite extensive artillery capability and experience, one obvious innovation that changed artillery forever was the helicopter both as a spotting device and as a delivery device for CAS and troops. The introduction of the helicopter to warfare has totally and irrevocably changed warfare, especially along the periphery and backline of conflicts where the necessary infrastructure of your war machine lays exposed.

Note then, that figures in the US army made sure to name US military helicopters after indigenous tribes from the US, and it wasn't just to be cute or honor history, it was to remind white europeans that the US army had to learn terrible lessons about how they did not understand war as deeply as some of the native tribes of the so called United States do.

I think US army leadership understood at some level that fascist europeans intuitively understand how to use a tank, but will never understand what someone can do with artillery or a helicopter (preferably both, talking to one another) if they are willing to abandon the rigid thinking of a fascist and use the tool to its full capacity to surprise and deny. Ukraine has proven this again in their own way through the use of UAVs/drones and history repeats and echos itself.

A pair of Apache helicopters can delete an entire column of mindless troops armed to the teeth riding in disgusting visions of armored oppression in a span of time it really isn't that fun to quantify because what is the point, all of that violence shouldn't have needed to be used in the first place and now we are in a reality where it has shrugs.