Neither Ukraine or Russia are on that list, and a couple of countries that do have a possible defensive war against Russia in mind withdrew from that treaty. That and Ottawa treaty (banning AP victim-triggered landmines)

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 27 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I'm aware, thanks.

I'm Finnish.

I would like for us to be in the treaties, but it would be foolish as we border Russia, and they just won't respect any treaties.

I linked it so that people can read about why there is a treaty to begin with. Same with anti-personnel landmines. Hell, I should probably go and take a refresher course, because when I was doing my service, we weren't taught shit about AP mines, because geopolitical situation was a bit more chill and we respected the treaty.

I do recall some of the older lieutenants saying something like "we won't be teaching you about AP mines, although in practice, if Russia ever does start being threatening, we'll probably back out of the treaty anyway". Which we did.

But yeah, comment's just here to generate conversation about why Putler is such a bastard.

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Command detonated mines don't fall under Ottawa treaty, so you might have had them (these are both claymore-type and OZM72-type)

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 5 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Except I know exactly what we trained with, and I know we didn't..?

We only trained and got trained to train in the use of AA mines. (10 kilos each, btw, and a fighter carries two.)

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Edit thanks for the added info to the thread tho

[–] Numberone@startrek.website 3 points 17 hours ago

Yeah, and I'm pretty sure both sides have been using them during the war.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/20/politics/ukraine-cluster-munitions/index.html

[–] bobo1900@sopuli.xyz 2 points 6 hours ago

But Russia also stated they don't use them, because they know it looks horrible