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TLDR - what’s the question mark in the following scale

Cult(-1)……………….Religion(0)……………….????(+1)

Long version (a.k.a my stupid mind’s question that is keeping me awake):

My understanding of cult is a group of people with an absurd or even possibly nefarious belief system. Like something negative.

By that definition I would put religion in the middle (though a majority of it leans towards the cult side). A group of people that is very serious about what they believe in, no matter how illogical it is.

So with this understanding what would you call the positive side ? A group of people coming together to have a tradition and belief system just for the fun of it ? Is there such thing ?

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[–] cam_i_am@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Community.

They're all groups of people with some kind of shared purpose or values. Cults are harmful and power based. Communities are helpful and consent-based. Religions can fall either way, or somewhere in the middle.

[–] fishos@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This or "support group". Community implies those already around you. Something like AA would fit the bill for something that is similar to religion or a cult but positive and affirmative.

[–] cam_i_am@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Support groups for sure, but I was more thinking of things like sporting clubs, dog parks, skate parks, artistic communities, soup kitchens, men's sheds, book clubs. Third spaces.

Anything where participation is voluntary, hierarchy is absent or minimal, and people come together to share interests, resources, time, or company.

[–] LockheedTheDragon@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Any group can become a cult, because cults are systems of control. Loosely organized groups are going to have a harder time becoming one, but sporting club which probably have rules and hierarchies, a soup kitchen is probably a nonprofit so would need rules and leaders. Artistic communities may have rules to use the space. Any group can become authoritarian if they get structured enough.

[–] cam_i_am@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Rules and leaders don't have to be harmful or coercive though. Even very egalitarian communities need norms. Hell even an anarchosyndicalist commune will have some shared set of expectations of its members.

Like you said, cults are about control. I have a hard time seeing much of a parallel between the necessary structure and norms of a community or club, and the coercive nature of a cult.

[–] LockheedTheDragon@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

"Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely." Rules and leaders are needed, but they always have the chance of being misused. That why checks and balances are always needed.

You have the normal rules and norms, but what if you take them to an absurd level. Let's say your in a Club. It has a rule that only members allowed and every member has to dress nice and be clean and presentable at all times inside. Well one member falls into the food table, getting food all over them and breaking their leg. Does the manager of the Club demand the person who fell get up and leave immediately? After all they are no longer clean and presentable. Well a reasonable Club would care more about having the person not move and getting emergency services in there. A cult would demand they get up and leave. The emergency personnel wouldn't be allowed inside anyway since they are not members.

I see the parallel because I see cults as normal behaviors taken to the extreme.

[–] LockheedTheDragon@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago

AA could be a cult. Synanon which was a drug rehab organization became a cult. A lot of cults start out as positive and affirmative groups.