webghost0101
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Thats is in all honesty not how i read ops message though.
They want to make the dynamic where the organizers of ethnic cleaning are held accountable a set tradition. And the only names in context are Mussolini and Hitler.
The crux of this argument may be what we understand as an active Nazi.
To me Musk is an active Nazi, he speaks their ideology and caters to others that also do and employed its symbolism. But there is no proof that he is or was involved in organizing genocide.
So i don't think op is saying Musk deserves death (yet).
I also see many people who are openly racist and identify as Nazis. Spread hate. But don't actually engage in violence. Many of these are indoctrinated or born in such culture. I don't think they are a target for OP either.
I agree that some of these can decide to stop. which bring me to my truer understanding that these most of these people can learn to be better. Which is exactly my argument not to punish them with violence.
But the organizers who set the machines of death in motion cannot be redeemed this way. Hitler if he was alive can not be pardoned and given acces to the public world. We as a society must come to a consensus what to do with criminals like that.
Spending the remainder of their life in a maximum oppressive system with zero freedom is not a perfect solution. Neither is putting them to death. Both of these options can be supported with ethical arguments, there is no objective winner. Till we find ethical argument for an options that is objectively superior to both ,showing support in favor of the existing solutions is fair and has nothing to do with threatening someone.
I agree the sentiment of a public hanging doesn’t help to see it that way, but language is by default colors to carry emotional value and not only literal value.
I feel similar to “eat the rich” getting banned. No one who states that is seriously advocating for cannibalism.
Yeah that seems to check out.
Wikipedia states he is imprisoned for life for the crime of genocide.
That outcome personally has my preference but to bring it to the matter at hand.
Op basically suggest that rather then incarceration for life they should be given the death penalty.
I cant see such thing as a threat. Because in so many “modern” places its the status quo. Definitely not as a offending expression to be banned.
Til the day we as a species evolve to a post death penalty world without state monopoly on violence such discussion are as normal as humanity itself.
Can you name a single person who is threatened by a democratically decided punishment for organizing genocide.
At worst its a statement in support of using systematic violence as a punishment for crimes against humanity. But discussion isn’t a threat.
Saying: “Everyone who think x, must be killed” is a threat to violence.
Hitler did not just think racist things. He was not only expressing himself or identifying as a Nazi. He was unmistakable guilty of organizing a genocide.
There are many self identifying nazis today but there is no demographic of people who belong to the specific group that fits actual Hitler and actual mussolini.
I can think of a handful alive today that are heading that way but even if those empires broke down tomorow they would not have committed enough evil to qualify.
This year will be declared the year of the linux desktop.
And so will the year after, and the one after…
Cars are a status symbol. He hasn’t forgotten alternatives exists he just despises their existence because they are beneath him.
To the rich any service of society that is not catered exclusively to to the rich is a disgrace and a threat to their ego.
Scohol sounds a lot cooler tbh.
Me: wondering where the sword went and thinking its about link being in rainbow one hit invincible mode.
If you only need popular shows in english sure.
Plenty of older things which where made for localized television cannot be found online but can be found in public libraries.
Dr who, last years season i believe
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In an academic sense i agree with you that this is how fascism is and that there is logic to it they wont want to pursue a scenario where they do not have the hierarchical upper hand in a violent clash.
However i doubt this is how most modern fascists are and how its ideology spreads. I am willing to bet that the vast majority of Americans neo nazis don’t even know who Mussolini is. The “leopards ate my face” phenomenon is a result of this. So is the “local known immigrant good, stranger immigrant bad” They are essentially brainwashed into the ideology of hate without truly understanding what it is about. They are equally brainwashed to distance themselves or look away from the people around them that do commit violence.
When asked in the streets supporters of trumps deportation plans expressed its only natural that said thing was done in a humane and ethical way and they trust those that execute such plan achieve this. When they do witness violence from their side they believe the victim must have deserved it in some horrible way. Only a small minority understands and expresses a desire to kill just because of ethnicity.
To me the entire war rhetoric between political left vs right is a function of the greater fascist ideal. While we are occupied fighting fascist appearing neighbors, those in power with the money and means to instruct real systematic oppression, censorship and in control of the state monopoly on n violence are not being stopped.