timhh

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[–] timhh@programming.dev 1 points 21 minutes ago

Yeah but please don't actually use this. Use a proper UUID library that works cross-platform and lets you choose the UUID type and can be seeded etc.

[–] timhh@programming.dev 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Catchy. Can't imagine why "algorithm" caught on instead.

[–] timhh@programming.dev 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

What docs? A bool is one byte. Get over it. Find me one normal compiler/architecture in C, C++, Go, Rust, Zig, etc. where it is not. Go on.

[–] timhh@programming.dev 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It is not. A bool in C, C++, Rust, Go, and every language that I know is 1 byte. Why are you arguing this basic very well known fact so much?

Just say "oh I was mistaken, TIL". It's not shameful.

[–] timhh@programming.dev 0 points 2 days ago (3 children)

but calling malloc_usable_size(malloc(1)) is giving me 24, so it at least allocated 24 bytes for my 1, plus any tracking overhead

Indeed. Padding exists. A bool is still one byte.

it’ll get 3+ extra bytes added on the next fn call.

...of padding. Jesus. Are you going to claim that uint16_t is not 2 bytes because it is sometimes followed by padding?

[–] timhh@programming.dev 0 points 2 days ago

No, in C and C++ a bool is a byte.

since many CPUs require that for whole-word load and store instructions

All modern architectures (ARM, x86 RISC-V) support byte load/store instructions.

or only support a stack pointer that increments in whole words

IIRC the stack pointer is usually incremented in 16-byte units. That's irrelevant though. If you store a single bool on the stack it would be 1 byte for the bool and 15 bytes of padding.

A single byte or bool field within a struct or object will likely result in a whole word being allocated, so that other variables and be word-aligned

Again, no. I think you've sort of heard about this subject but haven't really understood it.

The requirement is that fields are naturally aligned (up to the machine word size). So a byte needs to be byte-aligned, 2-bytes needs to be 2-byte aligned, etc.

Padding may be inserted to achieve that but that is padding it doesn't change the size of the actual bool, and it isn't part of the bool.

But if you have multiple less-than-a-word fields, they can be packed together.

They will be, if it fits the alignment requirements. Create a struct with 8 bools. It will take up 8 bytes no matter what your packing setting is. They even give an example:

If you specify the default packing size, the size of the structure is 8 bytes. The two bytes occupy the first two bytes of memory, because bytes must align on one-byte boundaries.

They used byte here but it's the same for bool because a bool is one byte.

I'm really surprised how common this misconception is.

[–] timhh@programming.dev 0 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Wrong again. It depends on the CPU. They can absolutely read a single byte and they will do if you're reading from non-idempotent memory.

If you're reading from idempotent memory they won't read a byte or a word. They'll likely read a whole cache line (usually 64 bytes).

And if you read the ARM article you linked, it literally says so.

Where?

Thus any compiler worth their salt will align all byte variables to words for faster memory access.

No they won't because it isn't faster. The CPU will read the whole cache line that contains the byte.

RTFM

Well, I would but no manual says that because it's wrong!

[–] timhh@programming.dev 0 points 2 days ago (5 children)

but if you have a single bool in a stack frame it’s probably going to be more than a byte.

Nope. - if you can't read RISC-V assembly, look at these lines

        sb      a5,-17(s0)
...
        sb      a5,-18(s0)
...
        sb      a5,-19(s0)
...

That is it storing the bools in single bytes. Also I only used RISC-V because I'm way more familiar with it than x86, but it will do the same thing.

on the heap definitely more than a byte

Nope, you can happily malloc(1) and store a bool in it, or malloc(4) and store 4 bools in it. A bool is 1 byte. Consider this a TIL moment.

[–] timhh@programming.dev 1 points 2 days ago (4 children)

You said you can't read one byte. I showed that you can. Where's the confusion?

[–] timhh@programming.dev 2 points 4 days ago

I think he's talking about if a variable only exists in registers. In which case it is the size of a register. But that's true of everything that gets put in registers. You wouldn't say uint16_t is word-sized because at some point it gets put into a word-sized register. That's dumb.

[–] timhh@programming.dev 1 points 4 days ago (7 children)

things that store it as word size for alignment purposes

Nope. bools only need to be naturally aligned, so 1 byte.

If you do

struct SomeBools {
  bool a;
  bool b;
  bool c;
  bool d;
};

its 4 bytes.

[–] timhh@programming.dev 1 points 4 days ago

The biggest problem is that each element doesn't have a unique memory address; iterators aren't just pointers.

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