OpenStars

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[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 4 points 4 days ago (3 children)

There is such a thing for Lemmy, and Lemmy.ml has a "good reputation" listed on it.

See it here: https://gui.fediseer.com/instances/detail/lemmy.ml, noting the 15 "endorsements" (think upvotes) and only 2 "censures" (think downvotes), with another 2 "hesitations". Fwiw, PieFed.social has 6 endorsements (all by Lemmy instances iirc) and 0 censures and 0 hesitations. lemmy.dbzer0.com has 49 endorsements, 136 censures, and 2 more hesitations.

So people definitely put censures and hesitations for some instances... just not lemmy.ml. Possibly the system admins are too afraid of being known by the very developers of the code that they are running on their machines to call it out? (I don't have to remind you of all people that system admins in most countries cannot be anonymous - unlike the rest of us, most people in that situation have to register with their country to be responsible for the content shown, e.g. CSAM). Mainly around lemmy.ml there is simply... silence, by the vast majority of the Threadiverse.

Which matches every other policy surrounding Lemmy.ml around the Threadiverse: chiefly silence (at the "official" levels, e.g. sidebar text on an instance or in official documentation), leaving new people to have to constantly keep discovering what is going on regarding it, mainly on their own.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 4 points 4 days ago

If you want an abortion, but your neighbor is willing to fully, literally, and actually kill you for attempting to get one, then how do you get along? Indeed...

The above example is auth-right, while tankies are auth-left. The common denominator is the auth part. You either give in and do whatever the other side wants, or... you do not do that.

Platforming the auth-left seems similar to trying to get people to join Reddit. Either way you are helping someone else feed forward their agenda, which will ultimately arrive at a bad ending.

I do note that PieFed is building an entirely new future, neither platforming tankies nor seeking profits to the exclusion of all else. I am putting my hopes into it.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Sorry for being confusing, but you are correct, tankies are not literal Nazis - I was referring to the Paradox of Tolerance whereby, as some may consider paradoxically, when we attempt to tolerate everyone then in reality we will become less free than if we would exclude those who would act to take freedom away from others (this logical principle is often called by the "Nazi bar" effect, where you yourself may not be an actual "Nazi", or in our case a tankie, and yet by virtue of association we are seen as such by Redditors who might otherwise flock here and contribute much more content than we currently have here).

Edit: here is an interesting comparison to ponder about. In this post (trigger warning: on Reddit) https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/1putgx5/lemmy_release_v01915_and_testing_for_10/ from yesterday, it mentions a Lemmy updated version, and do you see where the linked URL leads? Directly to lemmy.ml. Contributions to advance the Lemmy source code are also subverted into use to administer the Lemmy.ml instance, the only way to avoid that happening being to donate specifically to Nutomic directly. Lemmy code == Lemmy.ml, by the very devs of the platform. In contrast, here is another post https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/1pu7vkf/piefed_14_is_released_emote_reactions_ai_content/ from the day before that, and its primary link is to codeberg for the actual software, and only secondarily are links provided for more info on PieFed.social. It is possible to have a federated threaded-based conversational platform that is not primarily run and at least somewhat controlled by tankies. And yet even PieFed.social does not defederate from Lemmy.ml.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 4 points 4 days ago

I mean, technically we are all traveling in time right now... forward, at a constant velocity (or at least it appears that way to us, locally in this part of our spacetime continuum).

These shoes just seemed to have a bit of a detour, before they finally arrived at this, their new destination:-).

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 6 points 4 days ago

You say that so confidently that I will just go ahead and choose to believe you...

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 2 points 4 days ago (8 children)

Almost no instances defederate from Lemmy.ml. And I had accounts on multiple instances that federated with both lemmygrad.ml and Hexbear.net. None of that was explained anywhere, we early adopters just had to figure it out.

And who tells new people to avoid Lemmy.ml in the first place? That join Lemmy website that "randomly" picks an instance for you has even selected it for me, as well as hexbear.net.

Face it: we are a Nazi bar. Yes it's possible to walk through the crowd of Nazis at the front door to our corner of the room where it's cool, but I understand if my Jewish friends will refuse to accept my invitations, seeing who they will encounter on the way over.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 14 points 4 days ago (13 children)

Tbh I think of Lemmy in the same terms. Like, people contemplating coming here from e.g. Reddit could block all the anti-Western propaganda (e.g. calling for actual murder against us), and find some pools of content that are halfway worthwhile... but like, why would they bother? For the ideological purity of not contributing to enshittification? Anyone who thinks that way is already here though.

Whether facing "leftist" tankies on Lemmy or "conservative" right-wingers on Nostr, mainstream non-technical normie users are going to just nope right out of either.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 14 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Time travel 🧳 - it's the only logical explanation!!

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 9 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Wait a minute... it's not!?!?🤔🙃🤪🙄

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 2 points 4 days ago

Don't Axis powers win, in the end? That's what they keep telling us lately... so much winning, so much.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 1 points 4 days ago

Sadly, most people on the Threadiverse seem to act identically:-(. Conservatives do not hold a monopoly on the tribal culture mindset - we all can fall prey to this cognitive bias, if we are not sufficiently diligent to avoid it.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social -3 points 4 days ago

A black trans person would absolutely have a hard time passing, but Dave's point is that being open about one's LGBTQIA+ status is a choice (arguably not much of one, except that people do it so... it CAN be put away, when someone is ready to "pass").

Mainly he's saying that black people are people too, and should be considered as such. He has pointed out how unfair he considers the situation that when white gay men wanted marriage equality, a Supreme Court decision came something like 10 years after the major push started, with everyone in Hollywood backing that. Meanwhile, black people have been waiting for equal rights in the USA for 400+ years, and it's like "when is it our turn?"

It seems all too convenient for white men who are also gay or trans or whatever to call it quits when they get theirs, leaving POC behind in the dust, again.

I find like many people judge him without ever even listening to his material, so of course cannot really understand it.

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