Aceticon

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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (9 children)

Actually Britain is doing 6 to 8% worse that the rest of the EU and that's just in reduced Economic Growth.

Its influence in international affairs has also fallen steeply - one thing is to be a mid-sized country with a significant ability to move a block of 540 million people, a whole different thing is to be just another mid-sized country.

Having lived there at the time, I keenly remember how Britain was supposed to become once again an Economic Powerhouse (with Return To Past Greatness implied, rather than openly stated as in the US). Such fanciful bollocks is now well dead and burried.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It has also done the same for lot of people in the rest of the EU who before believed the same far-right populist fables about how great it would be to leave the EU, which is why the far-right in those countries doesn't talk about that anymore.

I lived in a couple of countries in the EU and my impression was that Britain was the best candidate of all in the EU to fall for the whole "We would be better of outside the EU" because they were the ones who looked back to the years before entering the EU and mainly saw a great Great Britain (an image relentlessly beautified and pushed by local media right, which is why even now almost a century after it a "new British film coming out about how Britain pretty much singlehandedly won WWI" is still a regular event and news about international affairs in Britain tend to be either spinning Britain as having great influence in the World or "look at that tupid thing happening in that country, this would never happen in Old Blighty [as we're superior to those foreigners]" news pieces) so it was easy for such Delusions Of National Greatness to be turned into Brexit by outside influences (namely, American - just look up who funded Cambridge Analitica to spread pro-Leave propaganda).

After the subsequent shitshow with the "most likely nation in the EU to fall for Alone We're Stronger bollocks" none of the larger nations left in the EU (which are just mid-sized nations in World terms) have any illusions that leaving would make them better of (plus people there already had fewer delusions of greatness to begin with than Brits), whilst the smaller nations never had any fond memories of time before the EU when they were little more than kicking balls for the bigger nations, to begin with.

All this to say that the country were an EU exit was most easy to leverage by foreign interests has already had that happen and the result stands as an example that further deters the idea of leaving in the few EU countries were the idea that "we were stronger alone" ever had more than a handful of believers.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

The US was never anybody's friend.

At best they were partners of convenience and only for as long as it they gained from it.

Remember that even before Trump American interests were pushing for Brexit to weakening the EU, for example by funding Cambridge Analitica to spread pro-Leave propaganda in Facebook.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

My only problem with Hungarians is that they keep re-electing Orban, and even then I understand that given his control of the Press over there, most who do it are just being daily brainwashed to do it.

That said, a Hungary Leave might just be the jolt that's needed to change things there (and it would isolate the rest of us from their problems plus would seriously dampen the prospects of any Orban-similar far-right in the rest of Eastern Europe), though there is a risk for Hungarian that the place turns into a hard autocracy controlled by Russia like Belarus and thus can't actually get back to Democracy for at least several decades.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (15 children)

That would be great!

Let's start with ~~kicking out~~ saddly (*sniff *, *sniff*) having to see the departure of Hungary.

I mean, just look at Brexit: one side got seriously fucked up (instant fall of 20% of their currency and slowly dropping further behind economically ever since - the dream of a Economic Powerhouse Britain are gone and burried now: just ask even the most rabid Brexiter to list their Brexit Dividends) whilst the other basically just went over a small speed bump. I'll leave it as an exercise for the readers which side got which consequences.

PS: That said, having seen the consequences of Brexit is exactly why no EU nation is likely to ever take Donald on this - after that shit show the far-right in Europe went really silent really fast on the whole "we must leave the EU" they were so loudly demanding just a few months before.

PPS: Also as a person from a small EU country, lets just say we're very much aware of just how the big boys would fuck us up if we left the safety of the pack - unlike in Delusions Of Grandeur Britain the public opinion in little nations doesn't want a return to the way things were in 70s when they were the "punching bag of the big boys". Meanwhile the larger EU countries - which are all merelly mid-sized in World terms - after having seen what happened to Britain post-Brexit know with absolute certainty they have far greater influence being in the EU than they would outside, which is why even Italy with a well entrenched far-right government hasn't distanced itself an inch away from the EU. Only some totally out of control shit-show of a nation in the thrall of the nuttiest of nutter far-right would even just consider this and, frankly, them leaving the EU would be great for the rest (not least because, as it happenned with Brexit, it would at least temporarilly dampen the far-right in all the other countries)

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago

Yo momma IS the boat!

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

This government has arresting people for demonstrating against that government's active support of the mass murdering of children in Gaza, so morally speaking, putting bananas ahead of people (even poor Brits who might actually need those free bananas) is nothing in comparison.

Sometimes I suspect that making sure people suffer is their whole point.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 3 days ago

This poster Romans!

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Santa is gonna be getting a piece of coal this Christmas ... and it will be worth it.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

"Enjoy the once in century experience of empire collapse from the first row, go sightseeing to 'once grand but now little more than decrepit and fast fading façades' and return home with a warm 'at least it's not us' feeling (return trip might be from El Salvador) unlike the poor sods who live in the place"

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 45 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Well, that's definitelly going to solve the fall in Tourism problem in the US /s

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The EU is now talking about doing what the US was already doing more than a decade ago when Snowden Revelations came out.

And don't get me started on things like the relative ratios of "death by police" and percentage of people in prision (to mention just the things related to the use of force in policing) between America and Europe.

The EU is at least a decade behind the US in creeping autoritarianism and a lot of that shit has been imported from the US (including the new style far right, which amongst other things was set-up with money from American billionaires which Steve Bannon brought to Europe years ago very openly to "create far right parties" and is ideologically fed by American money using social media which for example paid Cambridge Analitica to use Facebook to fuel Brexit).

In this turn of the Wheel of History, the equivalent of Nazism is spreading out from America.

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