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"There are 15 million illegal aliens," Miller said adding that "if each were given a full trial, deportations would take centuries"

White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller said in a video that went viral on Friday that undocumented immigrants are not entitled to due process protections when being removed from the United States, arguing that providing full legal proceedings would make deportations unworkable.

"There are 15 million illegal aliens," Miller said. "If each were given a full trial, deportations would take centuries. They had no due process entering the country, and they are not entitled to it when being removed."

Supreme Court precedent has long held that constitutional protections apply to noncitizens within U.S. territory. In Wong Wing v. United States (1896), the Court ruled that the Fifth Amendment's due process clause protects noncitizens from arbitrary detention or punishment.

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[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 103 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

You didn't have due process to be born Stephen, so you don't deserve it when we put your neck in a guillotine.

[–] drzoidberg@lemmy.world 28 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

I'd prefer slowly lowering him into a wood chipper, feet first. After we feed him a ton of adrenaline so he can't pass out.

[–] Rooskie91@discuss.online 17 points 4 hours ago

Nah, he deserves a much more ironic punishment more suited to make him miserable.

He deserves to be forced to afford rent on minimum wage in an inner city surrounded by the people he hates.

[–] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)
[–] drzoidberg@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 7 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (2 children)

Still too fast.

I propose keeping him alive for decades to work in horrid toiling conditions 16 hours per day, 7 days a week. Sleeping where he works. One meal per day, unpleasant.

Diamond mines in Africa? Some repetitive manual factory labor?

He can earn the woodchipper after 4 decades...

[–] Hylactor@sopuli.xyz 13 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Probably unpopular opinion, but torturing our current problems wont prevent our future problems.

[–] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

I disagree but it's kind of a soft disagreement, as I don't really know for sure. Obviously we're all joking about the torture, and don't condone violence...

But, we generally torture people of small crimes, or torture objectively innocent people. Think of the children in the African mines, still to this day.

The people who are causing all our problems never or rarely get tortured. And because they have all the wealth and power, they rarely get any form of punishment. They aren't afraid of any consequences, generally.

So if we actually did start torturing them, and showing them they're not invincible, would they change their ways?... Idk but maybe.

[–] Hylactor@sopuli.xyz 7 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Punishment as a deterrent hasn't worked for the entirety of human civilization. Otherwise we would have fewer murders than other countries as we continue to be one of the few places that cling to capital punishment. There will always be monsters. I won't argue that murder isn't justified, but it also isn't a "solution" in the strictest sense. Fear is what you're talking about and it is a fickle master.

[–] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Ok fair enough, and you might be right, maybe even probably right. Idk. But I think this glosses over a point I was trying to make.

It is the extreme wealthy and powerful who essentially have little or no consequences, yet they are causing all of our problems and hardships and suffering. They have nothing to fear. They have little or no accountability.

"The history says it doesn't work" isn't enough for me. Are you talking about the 1400s when some peasants tortured and killed some malevolent king? I haven't seen or heard anything like this to make enough of an impact where we can say "all the malevolent leaders are being killed by their peasants, yet they continue to treat their peasants cruelly, therefore torturing them doesn't work". Most historical torture was inflicted by the leaders, on the peasants, for various reasons.

The argument you are making, which I have heard before, is EXACTLY the belief I would want the poors to think and spread if I was at the top of the powerful elites.

Obviously I am not condoning torture or violence.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 hours ago

Nope. Torture isn't a deterrent, it's a sadistic indulgence.

If Miller ever faces people's justice, it should be with due process, and if he's found guilty, the outcome should be fast, cheap and irreversible.

[–] drzoidberg@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago

I like the way you think.

I suggest coal mines though. Chances of black lung are much higher, and I've heard it's an awful way to die.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 67 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

That means they can remove anyone without due process...

They could say literally anyone didn't come in the country legally, and "due process" is where people can prove they should be here

This is the same as when people would drown women, and if died she wasn't a witch so everyone would celebrate even tho they just killed an innocent.

No regard for false positives.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 7 points 4 hours ago

Fascists don't believe in due process, they believe in whims enforced at gunpoint.

[–] termaxima@slrpnk.net 44 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Due process isn't something you "deserve". You are entitled to it, regardless of any circumstance. The process is due to you. It is your unalienable right.

[–] jbloggs777@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 3 hours ago

*according to the US constitution ?

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 33 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

You need due process to even know if they are illegal aliens. They just want to deport people without checking.

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 hours ago

Oh, they "checked". They held up the color chart.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 27 points 6 hours ago
[–] tate@lemmy.sdf.org 23 points 5 hours ago

Yes, and you didn't have due process when you turned left without signaling, so now you don't get to go to a judge and say the cop was lying.

It all makes so much sense now!

Dumbass.

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 23 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Openly admitting to violating the civil rights of millions will come in handy for those of us who will hold you accountable.

[–] helvetpuli@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 hour ago

I do so badly wish to be a judge on that tribunal.

[–] Shamber@lemmy.world 18 points 6 hours ago

Is this guys actually a living thing? I never get that I'm living being vibe from him, anyone checked him for puls?

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 11 points 4 hours ago

The rights in the Constitution apply (in the words of the Constitution) to "all persons," not "all persons that Pee Wee Goebbels approves of."

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 8 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I think he should have been aggressively bullied more.

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 6 points 55 minutes ago

Oh geez, using that logic, no criminal used due process to murder, rape, steal, so they can't be charged.

Stephen Miller is truly the Chief of Staff we deserve.

[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 hours ago

Not how anything works.

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago

Wouldn't it be nice if people like shithead steve could have their faces melt like the Nazi in Indiana Jones?

[–] AnchoriteMagus@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Steven Miller is a Goebbels wannabe and one of my most sincere wishes is that I live long enough to see that he's dead.

He's wrong and should feel bad. I hope he gets a yeast infection in his urethra.

[–] Steve@startrek.website 2 points 1 hour ago

Mr Miller, needs no trial when someone Luigi's him. I call dibs on pissing on his corpse