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Is the smartest dog smarter than the dumbest human? Smartest cat? Smartest rat? It's something I've been thinking about for several days.

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[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 45 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

“The idea that the smartest bear might be smarter than the dumbest human comes from a famous Yosemite ranger quote about the difficulty of designing bear-proof trash cans: "There is considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists,"

[–] bishoponarope@lemmy.world 12 points 21 hours ago

I first heard a variation on this decades ago in regards to designing latches on field gates to keep horses in, but allow humans access. The problem being that a lot of horses are wicked smart and shockingly dexterous with their lips, and so many people are shockingly dense and lacking in fine motor skills.

[–] Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone 2 points 14 hours ago

Smarter then the average bear

[–] remon@ani.social 23 points 23 hours ago (4 children)

Is the smartest dog smarter than the dumbest human?

Certainly. Also cats, pigs, crows, etc.

The dumbest humans are new born babies. It's not hard to beat them.

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 36 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

Please don’t beat newborn babies, no matter how easy it is.

[–] remon@ani.social 18 points 22 hours ago

Well, there go my weekend plans ...

[–] JohnnyEnzyme@piefed.social 8 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

The dumbest humans are new born babies.

At least there's a burbling intelligence going on there, processing their senses, forming impressions and so forth... even if they're barely able to act on them beyond crying, gurgling and fussing.

Compare that to someone with severe brain damage, or being in a coma, or having severe mental disorders, or maybe having severe developmental issues. Those poor things. Even insects and other animals might be argued to be effectively smarter than such unfortunates.

[–] mrsemi@lemmy.world 8 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Unless you want to get into some weird philosophy in defining "human" (no plucked chickens please), the dumbest human would be a newborn with anencephaly. It's a birth defect where you have no brain.

Search that term at your peril.

[–] remon@ani.social 6 points 22 hours ago

The "Ethical issues" section of that wiki page is certainly interesting.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 7 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I'd argue thay the dumbest humans are currently holding political office in the United States.

[–] remon@ani.social 5 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Well, it's a science community and that is technically wrong. I dislike Trump and his cronies as much as the next guy, but they are still smarter than even that best service dog. It's more a lack of empathy and other mental disorders that make them bad, not their intellect.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (2 children)

I'd trust a dog to lead me around safely more than any of those politicians. Dog knows not to cross the street when it's unsafe. Trump probably assumes the traffic will stop for him.

Or just compare the results of his cognitive tests to a dog's.

[–] remon@ani.social 2 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Of course. Because trust isn't really related to intelligence. There is a lot of people I trust that are not the smartest fellows. But they are good, kind people.

Trump probably assumes the traffic will stop for him.

Sure ... because it does. In fact, I think they lock down half the city when he goes along any street.

[–] Azzu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 hours ago

So what is a dog's response going to be whether to repair a street or not? Hire this person or that person? Build this or that building? Use this or that contractor?

Of course Trump is going to choose the wrong thing. However, a dog is too dumb to even understand the choices or even that a choice is offered to them or even the context of being a leader.

It's entirely ridiculous to suggest a dog is smarter than even a dumb adult human like Trump. All you're doing is just showing that your hatred is bigger than your sense of truth, i.e. you're ready to bend the truth to hurt your enemies.

[–] spittingimage@lemmy.world 14 points 21 hours ago

Crows enjoy solving logic puzzles. Some adults I know can't open child-proof lids.

[–] the_q@lemmy.zip 6 points 23 hours ago

I don't think this is answerable. How do you define intelligence?

[–] Quilotoa@lemmy.ca 5 points 15 hours ago (2 children)
[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 5 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

That’s easy, they wear signs now.

[–] toynbee@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

Bill Engvall?

[–] Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Your mum

Sorry I had too do that,

Just like your mum.

I'll stop now

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 hours ago

Why? Your mum didn't stop last night

[–] ExtremeDullard@piefed.social 2 points 23 hours ago

The answer to this question can be obtained by watching someone with a MAGA cap walking a dog.