<CENTER><DIV>just as the founders intended</DIV></CENTER>
/ If your language has 58 ways to accomplish something like that, you're in for a bad time.
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Centering a div is pretty fucking easy nowadays. What’s way harder is aligning a god damned SVG icon with text.
Even that is pretty easy nowadays with modern CSS:
<div> <svg /> Text </div>
div {
display: flex;
align-items: center;
/* If the SVG needs an offset */
& svg {
--offset: ...px, ...px;
transform: translate(var(--offset));
}
}
Yeah. Easy. So easy. Text size changes, svg not centered anymore. Add margin (or whatever that inside margin is called), and tada, not centered.
padding
At the risk of getting flamed - I wonder if because CSS is a design tool not a programming tool, it will seem unintuitive to people from a technical background, but more intuitive to people from a design/arts background
Exactly this ^
When we had "backend" people at my shop, they were god awful at css. It was so bad at one point that I scolded any backend person who touched css because they always fucked shit up if they did.
I fuck up CSS on purpose whenever possible to reduce the likelihood of anyone letting me near it.
Maybe you used to work with me? haha
I think you're right. CSS was more understandable to me after reading that it came from the world of print media. It's how things were laid out there and it was transformed into a language from those with domain knowledge.
But I would be curious if those who studied art also use the same terminology. If so, then it would make sense that it would seem more intuitive to them.
Still using div in 2025
No
I'm confused - it's the only non-semantic standard html container. Ofc it's bad if you're trying to communicate intent, but if it's just for minor layout tweaks, anything else would mess with the document structure. Find me one sufficiently complex website that doesn't use divs lol
I actually nest everything in <p>s
Do people who talk this kind of shit about css really not understand they're just admitting they're not good at css?
If it were designed properly you wouldn't need to be good at it, it would be trivial and obvious to do the only thing anyone ever needs to do to their content within an area of the page
Good news: centering a div is insanely easy to do and has been for like 15 years.
You probably didn't expect that comment to make me feel so old.
Haha, sorry bout that. If it makes you feel any better, I felt pretty old about writing it too!
The last time I did any html/css work was about 15 years ago. Now I'm curious what's changed.
flex box, grid layout, and a million other things
If you need to be good at a layout language to center something, then maybe the layout language sucks.
What it says is zero knowledge on the part of the whiner.
You literally just have to give it a width and add margin: 0 auto;
I'm not good at programming Brainfuck, either.
You probably haven't put any effort into learning either language. I find that people who whine about css to normally be backend programmers who are really terrible at design and want a scapegoat to blame.
div {
display: grid;
place-items: center;
}
Lol, easier to write an article theorizing the ways it can be done than to just show him a centered div.
<center></center>
I only know how to stick it in a cell in a table and center the cell.
Never learned css, a bit left behind now hehe.
It's nonintuitive and could have been designed better from the outset, but it's not impossible or even difficult. Now can we fight about something meaningful?
vim and emacs are right there, people.
Emacs has a better file-manager and you can setup an extremely great latex-editor.
Also extensions don't randomly not work on bsd as much. There is even evil-mode and no-window option.
The only place vim wins at is that there is an optional and lightweight autcomplete with lsp support you can activate by pressing or during interactive mode.
And NOBODY uses it.
What is Temani?
I assumed it was a personal name, but I don't know.
CSS is trash. Always has been, always will be.
Skill issue.
Yeah, using trash is definitely a skill issue. You're right about that.
So you're saying it's a skill issue that you try something you're bad at? Seems unnecessarily hard on yourself.