Again with the messaging. The problem isn't "messaging" it's that you and your ilk insist on leaving the working class out to dry you capitalist ghoul.
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Obama encourages Democrats to focus on winning back House, not "tactical differences"
(www.cbsnews.com)
It doesn’t matter what they say because I know they’re not gonna do it and make excuses.
But it’s not like I have anyone else I can vote for.
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Biden did more for the working class than Trump ever did or will. There are just too many "freethinking" conspiratard clowns who are easily scammed by republican lies. Unlucky
I never said anything about Trump. Biden did something, which is rare for his type, but it's certainly not enough, and as long as it's not enough people will keep flocking to the right because the right actually does things (bad things, to be clear, but that's irrelevant).
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It’s good that Obama is stepping back into the spotlight. He still resonates with people as the last president we had before the world went insane.
He also reminds anyone wanting to run Trump in ‘28 that he would have another two-termer to contend with.
Barring that, he is still a unifying figurehead in the short term, while everyone watches Trump’s rapid decline.
It’s good that Obama is stepping back into the spotlight.
It is, in fact, very bad. As is obvious from his long list of broken promises, Obama is part of the problem, and any advice he gives—indeed, the advice he's now giving—won't address what really needs to be done.
Trump v. Obama is the election race I want to stick around to see
That race means American democracy is fully over. I already kinda think it is, but if that race happens there's no "maybe we'll come through this," we're just done for.
We’ve given up on the idea that laws mean things and will be enforced.
Well that was easy.
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A major reason shit is so fucked right now is when Obama won he just ignored the DNC for 8 years running his own campaigns and not helping out state parties with fundraising.
Which lead to a 2016 DNC funded and controlled by Hillary and trump becoming president.
The time for him to have done something was 17 fucking years ago
Nah, I'm not going to unironically "Thanks Obama" for shit being so fucked up right now. Trump did not get elected either time because of anything Obama did or didn't do.
I'd argue the racist backlash from having a Black Man in Charge might've worked for Trump.
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All he had to do was appoint a non biased DNC chair and we'd have easily had Bernie 2016-2024...
Which would have prevented trump. Even Biden beat trump, Bernie would have sent him home with his tail between his legs.
Do you really need someone to explain how 8 years of Bernie would have solved all of this shit?
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To bring it full circle, Obama didn't support the state parties either, which is why Republicans held onto the House in the first place, which is what he's complaining about now.
He literally created this problem.
The DNC chair is appointed by a committee of over 400 people with no obligation to follow the President's recommendation (though they usually do). The DNC is a private organization with no obligation to the people. The responsibility of electing our leaders comes down to us. And as a populace, we looked at Clinton and Trump and chose Biff Tannen with the golden toilet. It's not like America didn't know who Trump was when they elected him... both times. This is a problem with our culture and our people, not something we can comfortably pin on old leaders or outside forces. You think the country that re-elected a felon would have given Bernie 8 years?
The DNC chair is appointed by a committee
And when a Dem wins the presidential election they nominate a chair and the DNC vote is performative...
Obama could have named anyone, going off memory but the first time he didn't nominate at all, and the second time was for the neoliberal who gave 2016 to Hillary, likely at Biden's recommendation.
And you're making my point, trump couldn't have beaten anyone in a fair election, the only two times he's won and when Dems had rigged primaries to force historically unpopular candidates.
Biden even managed to beat him, like 40 years after his first disasterous primary. That's my point, Bernie would have stomped trump.
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Obama also helped discourage other democrats from running in 2016. He also pushed Biden in 2020. He’s part of the reason we are in this mess. Establishment Dems think they know better.
Maybe some of those insider trading dems could have ponied up some cash instead of relentlessly begging working people for money to lose against Donald fucking Trump, twice.
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In other words..."vote blue, no matter who"...unless they're a progressive. Then, vote for the newly "independent" corporate Democrat that just lost the primary.
Thats right DNC/Establishment: hold your nose and stand by support the Mandamnis taking over, time to actually produce something of value and benefit to the People or get off the damn pot
I agree with your sentiment, but that's not what I got from the article.
They tried it their way, now they need to start learning from their mistakes. I know what Obama's saying but that logic applies entirely to Mandamni's case and theres zero reason why it always needs to be red Democrats
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work on honing the party's messaging in the coming years.
I think focusing on the message isn't going to help all that much. I think most voters have become desensitized to political messaging. Obama's own "hope and change," message helped with that desensitizing, after people felt that in the end they had neither.
I think most Americans are now looking more for a real, material plan for improving things. And I don't think the problem is that no one has a plan, plenty of politicians do, but I think Americans just aren't sure which plan will work. It's the perfect environment for political grifters who are able to convince people they have a plan to help them, even though they have no such thing. One thing I think most Americans were pretty confident about was that the plan that establishment Democrats put forward of "nothing will fundamentally change," was not appealing. When the people are absolutely desperate for positive change, that's the last thing they want to hear.
100%. I think Biden’s “status quo” messaging only worked because of the chaos that was Trump’s first term and COVID. That is not a platform to run on when Trump pushed the country into full-blown fascism. The pendulum needs to swing in the other direction. The only thing I fear is that those in charge of the DNC have proven they are not interested in supporting social democrats or democratic socialists for the presidency. We sorely need a third party that is taken seriously.
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Seems like a faster resolution would be to hold people accountable for their crimes and treason. That'd eliminate most of the big problems.
I mean, the guy who perfected drone strikes on American citizens was never going to suggest that.
"Blue no matter who" doesn't work and it's time they realize this shit and either start putting forward actual good candidates instead of piles of human excrement like Newsome and Harris or dismantle the party and allow an actual leftist party to take its place.
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The man in the high castle that coordinated all the candidates to drop out behind Biden in order to crush Bernie says this huh
When did that happen? Have a link?
They’re talking about 2020. Bernie was winning primaries until all moderate dems dropped out to back Biden. Elizabeth Warren stayed in to split progressive vote.
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I didn't try to say anyone should forget or ignore anything, I literally wasn't aware of this
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They’ve been “working on messaging” since Hilary lost in 2016.
Maybe, I don’t know, have a platform and message that helps everyday people instead of telling people everything’s fine, stop complaining.
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Former President Barack Obama urged Democrats to "meet the moment" at a Los Angeles fundraiser with House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries
There are a couple of things that I have issue with here. Fundraisers in general, with regard to politics. The old guard saying what should be done. Hakeem Jeffries who didn't have the morality or values to endorce Mamdani. Unless people not invested in the status quo vote in the primaries, nothing will change and the machine will keep chewing us up.
I totally agree with this strategy. However if the democrats are unwilling to do anything about it does it even matter? Checks and balances require the checks part.
Get the majority and then START using it. Be aggressive to fix this shit and start actually doing something.
Why do the people have to compromise with the democrats? How about the democrats REPRESENT THE PEOPLE.
You assume the other branches will listen to the house or that democrats won't continue to be out maneuvered or betrayed by their own party members.
He's actually encouraging that. His messaging here is, don't be on cky about who the candidate is...just vote for them. In theory, that means gaining as many seats as possible. In practice, it means many of those seats won't be representing their constituents...only their corporate donors.
Democrats need to start being pickier about who they elect. If there's even a whiff of corporate money on them, they need to be primaried.
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Focus on your corruption problem. Insider trading and money from Israel
In the United States, for reasons that are difficult to explain, it is legal to gerrymander.
I think that Democrats should be trying to gerrymander to insane degrees to give Democrats the advantage, and at the same time, they should introduce a constitutional amendment to make gerrymandering illegal. The amendment needs to be written by experts in political science and gerrymandering so that we can do our best to get rid of this disease.
As long as they say, "We are against gerrymandering, and all of these states have ratified the amendment. But if we don't do this, the red states will never ratify the amendment," then I think they can make it work.
In the short run, the Democrats would win, and in the long run, as long as the amendment is written well, the American public would win, which hopefully would also be wins for progressives.
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