this post was submitted on 14 Dec 2025
189 points (99.5% liked)

Europe

8083 readers
1356 users here now

News and information from Europe 🇪🇺

(Current banner: La Mancha, Spain. Feel free to post submissions for banner images.)

Rules (2024-08-30)

  1. This is an English-language community. Comments should be in English. Posts can link to non-English news sources when providing a full-text translation in the post description. Automated translations are fine, as long as they don't overly distort the content.
  2. No links to misinformation or commercial advertising. When you post outdated/historic articles, add the year of publication to the post title. Infographics must include a source and a year of creation; if possible, also provide a link to the source.
  3. Be kind to each other, and argue in good faith. Don't post direct insults nor disrespectful and condescending comments. Don't troll nor incite hatred. Don't look for novel argumentation strategies at Wikipedia's List of fallacies.
  4. No bigotry, sexism, racism, antisemitism, islamophobia, dehumanization of minorities, or glorification of National Socialism. We follow German law; don't question the statehood of Israel.
  5. Be the signal, not the noise: Strive to post insightful comments. Add "/s" when you're being sarcastic (and don't use it to break rule no. 3).
  6. If you link to paywalled information, please provide also a link to a freely available archived version. Alternatively, try to find a different source.
  7. Light-hearted content, memes, and posts about your European everyday belong in other communities.
  8. Don't evade bans. If we notice ban evasion, that will result in a permanent ban for all the accounts we can associate with you.
  9. No posts linking to speculative reporting about ongoing events with unclear backgrounds. Please wait at least 12 hours. (E.g., do not post breathless reporting on an ongoing terror attack.)
  10. Always provide context with posts: Don't post uncontextualized images or videos, and don't start discussions without giving some context first.

(This list may get expanded as necessary.)

Posts that link to the following sources will be removed

Unless they're the only sources, please also avoid The Sun, Daily Mail, any "thinktank" type organization, and non-Lemmy social media (incl. Substack). Don't link to Twitter directly, instead use xcancel.com. For Reddit, use old:reddit:com

(Lists may get expanded as necessary.)

Ban lengths, etc.

We will use some leeway to decide whether to remove a comment.

If need be, there are also bans: 3 days for lighter offenses, 7 or 14 days for bigger offenses, and permanent bans for people who don't show any willingness to participate productively. If we think the ban reason is obvious, we may not specifically write to you.

If you want to protest a removal or ban, feel free to write privately to the primary mod account @EuroMod@feddit.org

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

Web archive link

Any peace deal to end Russia’s war in Ukraine will only last if Moscow makes real concessions, including limiting the size of its armed forces and curbing its growing military budget, the EU’s top diplomat has said.

In an interview with the Italian daily Corriere della Sera published on Friday, Kaja Kallas, the EU’s foreign policy chief, warned that without meaningful concessions from Moscow, Europe risks facing new conflicts elsewhere.

...

The problem for peace is Russia,” Kallas said, adding: “Even if Ukraine received security guarantees, without concessions from the Russian side, we would have other wars, perhaps not in Ukraine but elsewhere.”

...

Kallas said that Kyiv and its allies “certainly welcome the momentum toward peace that the U.S. administration is showing,” but cautioned that Russia lacks a “genuine will for peace.”

“It [Russia] is constantly bombing Ukrainian civilians and civilian infrastructure,” she told Corriere della Sera, stressing that “first we need to see a ceasefire.”

She said that in order to achieve sustainable peace, it is necessary to ensure that “Russia does not attack again”, adding that this requires clear concessions from Moscow.

...

"We need concessions from Russia, whether that means limiting its army or restraining its military budget,” said Kallas, who served as Estonia’s prime minister from 2016 to 2021.

Moscow has significantly increased its military budget in recent years, diverting vast resources toward the defense industry to sustain its war in Ukraine.

...

top 23 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 33 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (2 children)

I love Kallas but nah.
Russia is an empire and behaves like an empire, the Russian federation needs to be split up into all its member states.
Of course this automatically gives back all territories to Ukraine including Crimea, but it also ensures for instance Georgian independence along with many states oppressed and manipulated through Russian propaganda.

Let's see how much Russia is willing to spend on military, when they have to pay for it themselves...

PS:
Russia actually has a lot of cool legislation and principles in their society that give rights and protect citizens, but it's all ruined by Putin, corruption and the FSB. Not unlike how Trump is ruining USA ATM.
If both could get rid of the corruption and have real democracy, they could both be very good societies, equaling the best in the world like Scandinavia, Japan, Switzerland etc.
Imagine how wonderful that would be! Instead the people are allowing them to be racing towards a dystopia. 😒

[–] plyth@feddit.org 10 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

the Russian federation needs to be split up

China has said that they cannot afford Russia to lose. It must mean that they don't want to have potentially Western oriented republics on their land border.

This demand makes sure that China will fully back Russia.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 8 points 18 hours ago

It must mean that they don't want to have potentially Western oriented republics on their land border.

I think a more material iterpretation is they can't afford the loss of resource supply Russia provides them in the face of military threat from the US. Western oriented republics is an unlikely scenario to follow a power vaccuum left by a Russian power withrawal. Instead it's more likely that local oligarchies take power. Conflicts could break out too. All that is a more challenging environment for keeping the resources flowing into China, especially during an armed confrontation that's cut off supplies by sea.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Soviet union split up, the Russian Federation can too. It won't make much difference on the Chinese borders. Mongolia and Kazakhstan is by far the greatest border, and none of them are in the Russian Federation.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

But Mongolia is landlocked and the Russian part is much closer to the important cities. My assumption is that it would make defending China much more difficult,

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)
[–] plyth@feddit.org 1 points 11 hours ago

A systemic rival.

kallas and the estonian reform party is unpopular in general for raising taxes when they promised not to do so, I'd recommend listening to the song "maksusaun" (tax sauna). but one of the things reform has done right is it's anti russia policy.

[–] Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.org 27 points 18 hours ago (1 children)
[–] SrMono@feddit.org 3 points 18 hours ago
[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 25 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Well the good folks in Ukraine have been doing their level best to shrink the Russian military.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 7 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

If we gave them more than a knife from the get go, they may have done significantly better. But then the war would have stopped quickly and a lot less shells would have been made and sold overall.

[–] Pringles@sopuli.xyz 5 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

That's hardly fair. The west has given a ton of weapons and aid. What would be fair is to state that those were given piecemeal and we probably should have given more and earlier. Not to mention that Europe needs to step up and do more now and in the coming years, because this war isn't ending anytime soon.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 4 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

That's what I meant - slower delivery over longer period. It's why I said we didn't give more from the get go. Which is likely resulting in more total weapons expended, along with the people firing them.

Oh and this is not just a European phenomenon which is why I'm not singling out the EU.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 8 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Why is Kallas the only EU politician who has aggressive worda against Russia?

[–] ManixT@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

How are her words aggressive? It's common sense. No one is planning on attacking Russia, but they've been building their imperial army like it's their whole purpose in life.

Would be nice if they did something to better the world instead.

[–] Illecors@lemmy.cafe 0 points 11 hours ago

He's not the only one.

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 2 points 18 hours ago

They’ve spent years brutalising their own population and turning them into orcs who will commit atrocities with glee. If they demobilised them, there’d be thousands of ex-soldiers primed to kill but suddenly denied targets and told to reintegrate into civilian society.

Basically Russia’s army is a weapon which can be pointed outwards or inwards. If they’re not conquering Ukraine (and after that Poland and Finland and Berlin and down the Champs-Elysees), they’re raping and murdering random people in Russia. Which is incentive for Putin or any successor to keep it pointed outwards until some superior force physically stops them.

[–] Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Urkraine needs to start asking for land. Perhaps that little strip of land north of Crimea

[–] baggins@beehaw.org 1 points 8 minutes ago

Down to about a thousand.

The same Kaja Kallas who didn't seem to know that Russia and China fought in WW2?