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Predictable results (none) but this needs to happen before the next step can happen.
But there will be no next step from the "we refuse to do anything (but enriching ourselves)"-government voted in by the "everything has to stay the same"-morons.
At best enough people actually care to trigger yet another loud populist diversion.
I'm sure the Russians are quaking in their boots after receiving their strongly worded letter.
Exactly. This is like a treating one infected wound with topical agent while having sepsis. Uh, if Russia stops spreading fake news on Facebook, what about the US, or China, or Turkey, or Israel. The common variable is Facebook, Meta making money off this activity and the activity being aligned with Meta's anti-regulation interests. Social media corporations are the systemic issue here. Legislate responsibility for moderation for corporations operating in Germany and this shit is gonna drop off a cliff, by any actor.
Legislate responsibility for moderation for corporations operating in Germany ... and this shit is gonna drop off a cliff
Not that I would generally oppose higher enforceable accountability for social media platforms, but how would 'this shit gonna drop off a cliff' as Russia is
- hacking government ministries, parliaments, and defense institutions
- targeting critical infrastructure such as energy grids, transport systems and air traffic control
- orchestrating acts of sabotage against railways, cables, pipelines, or military logistics
- surveilling or targeting of infrastructure linked to Ukraine support
- encouraging or facilitating irregular migration toward EU border
Even the points related to social media would not help, as Russia would certainly continue its influence campaigns.
It must be clearly said that the main problem here is Russia and its 'decisive enabler,' China.
Clearly I addressed a specific part. One that has an outsized effect over the German system via its political system. If you can't see how those other aspects can be tackled inside Germany (and the EU) and why you can't rely on a conpetitor to stop, I can't help you. You're arguing to get an attacker to stop instead of tackling the vulnerabilities. That's not how security works.
Just in case anyone else is reading this and got confused - Israel and US are also actively running disinformation campaigns in Germany today. So if for some reason Russia stops doing it today, the problem remains as the US and Israel would continue and they don't have Germany's best interests in mind.
Also if you're going to pretend to engage in good faith, it helps not to downvote the person you're replying to.
E: Downvoting harder with your alt accounts isn't doing you any favours either.
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Russia has successfully sidelined the US and likely turned it into at least a semi-passive enemy of the EU. Now Putin has time to focus on destabilizing the EU himself.
I think you should read the latest US NatSec strategy that came out two weeks. Also the leaked bits about pushing several countries to leave the EU. The US and RU have a common interest in the EU breaking apart. One of them has much more resources and leverage than the other. For example a lot of the Russian gas was replaced with US gas. And that's just one point of significant leverage.