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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has reaffimed his firm refusal to cede any territory, resisting U.S. pressure for a painful compromise with Russia as he continued to rally European support for Ukraine.

“Undoubtedly, Russia insists for us to give up territories. We, clearly, don’t want to give up anything. That’s what we are fighting for,” Zelenskyy said in a WhatsApp chat late Monday in which he answered reporters’ questions.

“Do we consider ceding any territories? According to the law we don’t have such right. According to Ukraine’s law, our constitution, international law, and to be frank, we don’t have a moral right either.”

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[–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I think that's the wrong narrative.

I don't think anyone really cares much about that land. It's s mixture of mud, plastic drone remains and unexploded munitions. It's important because the defence line is there. Many people say it's rich in minerals... a lot of land is in a lot of places. Nobody is going to use this land for mining, not at any time soon.

The narrative should be security guarantees.

Because when the news says: Zelensky doesn't want to ceed land, it implies some kind of pride and stubbornness. But in reality Ukraine wants security guarantees and they would be willing to not militarily contest Crimea and even Donbas. There is no point in ceeding anything were there no guarantees. But if you get them, then a lot is on the table.

The point is it the news and everyone goes with security guarantees narrative it is a much stronger narrative: you want to exist, the enemy doesn't want you to exist. Instead of taking about land where it can all sound like it bickering about who gets what. Perception matters. A lot of Europeans don't know any the details of this war and most Americans have no clue. The narrative is important.

I got deleted from another channel "Ukraine" for this view and got called a lot of bad words and I don't know why. It's not an extreme view and I think Ukrainian government sees it like that as well.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I see it as a world litmus test for law versus force. If you get invaded and you let them take your land, no matter what it's "worth", you have been conquered.

[–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (2 children)

There are people there that just want a normal life. Conquered or not, that doesn't mean anything compared to not being bombed while they are playing with their kids.

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[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Is Zelenskyy wanting pre 2022 borders or pre 2014 borders?

[–] Cistello@reddthat.com 2 points 5 days ago

The chance of Ukraine giving up territory increases a lot once they lose all their fortified front lines and the piece of land which Russia currently doesn't control It has the highest elevation of any landmass in the area

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