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Several teams of female gamers have dropped out of the Dead by Daylight Women's World Cup after trans women were banned.

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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 161 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

"We recognize, respect, and value the diversity of identities within the Dead by Daylight community and within gaming as a whole," the statement continues. "Trans women are an important part of the scene and have participated in our previous tournaments, where they have always been welcomed and respected. Their presence and contributions have never been questioned, nor has there ever been any discriminatory stance against them."

The statement says the decision to ban trans women "was based solely on technical and operational limitations."

It's notoriously technically difficult to just do nothing and allow trans women to play video games. Basically can't be done, except in every previous year.

What a stinking heap of bullshit.

[–] Punk_face@lemmy.zip 102 points 1 day ago (11 children)

What the hell does gender have to do with gaming?!? There is no inherently gender-based advantage on either end! So stupid…

[–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 84 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I can see having a women’s league being valuable to foster a safe space outside of the misogynistic dude bro culture that’s so prevalent in gaming, but that’s a space trans women need access too just as much if not more than cis women.

[–] JillyB@beehaw.org 19 points 17 hours ago

Exactly. I know chess has women-only events and open events. There is no men's event. There just wouldn't be any women if a space weren't dedicated to women. The culture is so male dominated that it's needed with no respect to advantage. I imagine e-sports is the same way.

The goal is to eliminate trans people by isolating them and excluding them from society.

[–] zurohki@aussie.zone 21 points 23 hours ago

Being male is a huge advantage when gaming - I don't know how I'd even game without both hands on the keyboard and controlling the mouse with my dick.

[–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 11 points 14 hours ago

It's similar to women's only chess championships. Think of it sort of like an affirmative action type of thing, where the misogyny that's prevalent in a particular pursuit causes women to be disproportionately underrepresented.

That makes this decision even more galling to me.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Yeah, this is infuriating.

I did Karate for a decade, went to a number of tournaments, and I'm a giant gamer dork.

Yes, in combat sports, there are legitimate arguments one can make that defining some kind of category delineation based on bone/muscle density from your biology makes roughly as much sense as weight classes... though I can say that only time I have ever been actually, fully KO'd was from a woman, roughly the same age/weight as myself, landing a roundhouse kick directly on my temple (side of my head).

But... keyboard combat? No. Makes no fucking sense at all.

[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 7 points 18 hours ago

Basically its because our gender is shit and ruins everything.

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[–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 54 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Probably the one type of sport where gender should not matter whatsoever.

[–] arsCynic@piefed.social 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Gender segregation shouldn't be done in anything as far as I know. Just pit skill against skill.

[–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 13 points 1 day ago (6 children)

That's pretty naive. I'm not going to get into that. I'm just saying this particular sport has no difference between men and woman.

[–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 13 points 22 hours ago

Ehhhhhh... Sure some genders will have benefits in certain sports, but... so what?! Let the individuals with the skills be recognized.

At the level of world-class athletes, they're ALL genetic freaks of nature. Who the flying fuck cares what's between their legs?! They're already uniquely gifted. Just let the entire spectrum of humanity shine, for fuck's sake.

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[–] JillyB@beehaw.org 4 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

What do you mean "skill against skill"?

In my perfect world, sports wouldn't be gendered, but would have some sort of class system like boxing weight classes. The best boxers in the world will be the heavyweights but smaller people can still compete against somebody their size. Why did boxing figure this out before basketball got height classes? I'll never know.

Another way of interpreting your comment is dismissing differences and simply making people all compete against each other. This would obviously exclude all women from most sports so you'd have to be a pretty committed misogynist to think that was preferable to gendered sports.

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[–] abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 52 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You know, I knew this day would come. I knew we would reach the point where we would ban trans women from esports.

Because again it's never about any advantages trans women have.

[–] FatVegan@leminal.space 3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Is there even a male / female division is esports?

[–] abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 14 hours ago

No there isn't. They can't even use that excuse.

[–] trslim@pawb.social 35 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Seperate gendered esports makes zero fuckin sense what the actual fuck.

[–] bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works 14 points 9 hours ago (6 children)

I also exists for chess for example and makes a lot of sense. If one gender is vastly underrepresented, giving them a separate competition helps them succeed at all.

In most sports the male competition is an actually open competition for all genders.

[–] WhiteRabbit_33@lemmy.world 5 points 6 hours ago

Adding onto this, it's also for helping foster community among marginalized groups who are all passionate about the same thing. It's hard to develop that community when you don't see other people from that group in the sport or hobby you're in.

Creating women only competitions is a way to connect people to help them foster that community and bring other women into the sport so that one day, it won't just be a male dominated sport.

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[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 31 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

Doesn't this ban imply the creators believe trans women are the ideal form of gamers since the only active reason to ban them was if they were physically superior at playing video games to both men and women? Otherwise why would it matter?

[–] vxx@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

both men and women?

Woman's world cup

[–] lena@gregtech.eu 7 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Why are gaming competitions segregated by gender anyway?

[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 6 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah, it's like segregated chess championships. Are they even needed?

[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 15 hours ago

They are. Its not about physical support but about the structures giving men much more support than women. It makes a huge difference whether you can fully focus on learning the game or have to still work maybe even full time.

Yes, but for behavior not inequality.

IMO should be integrated and shitheads just kicked out.

[–] VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 11 hours ago (4 children)

Okay, what's the excuse for the tournament's actions?

Are they claiming a Y chromosome now unlocks special gaming abilities when activated with Mtn Dew and Doritos?

[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Don't forget that also.... There are cis women with y chromosomes. There are cis men without. There are intersex people.

[–] VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 11 hours ago

So true. I wonder what their metric is, then? "Sorry you spent too many years on Xbox Live before starting E." Lmao.

They fucking suck.

[–] IronBird@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

i'v always found dr.pepper and flaming hot cheetos to be a better performance enhancer

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[–] Sunshine@piefed.ca 16 points 1 day ago

Boycott bigots!

[–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 13 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

What the fuck does gender or sex have to do with esports? This is just another insecure misogynist skill issue thing like every other competition setting where a man once lost to a woman. So fucking stupid.

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[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Dead by Daylight gamers showing more intersection and solidarity than other esport scenes.

Edit: yikes

[–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 4 points 23 hours ago

That thread just made me sad. This is so fucked

[–] SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org 12 points 1 day ago
[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 12 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Haha was about to literally buy the game on Steam, bullet dodged.

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 10 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Do the tournament organizers have anything to do with the game devs?

[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Devs shouldn't allow it to be official if they do this, send takedown notices.

Saying trans people can't play pro video games is like saying people from Latin America can't play sportsball(kicking edition)

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[–] Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 7 hours ago

"for technical and operational reasons" my elbow

[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 15 hours ago

That is probably the worst community to do bigot shit like this too. Most DBD players I know are very based and inclusive

[–] thingAmaBob@lemmy.world 9 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

The statement says the decision to ban trans women "was based solely on technical and operational limitations."

"In a global online tournament, we do not have reliable tools to ensure transparency and verification for every participant. For this reason, we had to make decisions under uncertainty, relying instead on the trust we place in team leaders and their players," it says. "... This situation does not reflect a lack of willingness to be inclusive, but rather the absence of adequate mechanisms to manage verification in a fair, safe, and respectful manner for all participants."

So, WTF does this even mean? I don’t watch e-sports, but are leagues sometimes separated by gender? If so, why? I always assumed there were mixed teams, since gender or sex in this realm is 100% irrelevant when it comes to skill.

Either way, it’s complete bullshit.

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 6 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

in the same way that engineering disciplines often provide priority to women because it’s hard af for them in the discipline not for any good reason but just because the industry is misogynistic af

being a women and a gamer is far more toxic than being a man and a gamer, and that drives away a lot of women who may have been the best, and men don’t have that same hindrance just by virtue of their gender

id argue too that anyone claiming to be trans probably has similar levels of toxicity, and therefor it shouldn’t be an issue: if the division is about encouraging diversity to combat toxicity, who cares if that toxicity comes from transphobia or misogyny

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[–] CriticalMiss@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

TIL i learned DBD has an esports league

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

That is apparently gendered.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 hours ago

And run by bigoted men.

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[–] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

WTF banning trans gamers because of what? Because beating on trans people takes focus from your own gender identity insecurity? Gtfo

Also, and I know this isn't the point. But the word "women" is a noun, the adjective is "female". I know that some misogynistic assholes use "female" as a noun, which from a linguistical POV is just as bad, and it's why some people don't like using "female" as an adjective. But... And it is as I'm writing this, that it dawns on me, that if people should be able to transform, then so should language... Dagnabbit! I just don't like it when people change the language, but I'll wear a rainbow pin, I'll and defend trans people... What does that make me?

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