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Washington is unhappy that some European arms programs limit U.S. participation.

U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Christopher Landau on Wednesday slammed European NATO allies for prioritizing their own defense industry over American arms suppliers, according to three NATO diplomats.

The intervention came during Wednesday's meeting of NATO foreign ministers — which was skipped by Landau's boss Marco Rubio.

Landau, a longtime NATO skeptic who spoke first at the closed-door meeting, told ministers not to “bully” his country’s defense firms out of participating in Europe’s rearmament.

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[–] andrewta@lemmy.world 73 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Maybe that’s because we pissed everybody off.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemmy.zip 18 points 3 days ago

Now who could've seen that one coming.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

all part of putins plan, is to isolate the US.

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 6 points 3 days ago

Divide et impera. He does that all over Europe, too, and has been doing it for decades. The USA is the main enemy though, and he already conquered that, Europe was always the prize.

[–] k0e3@lemmy.ca 59 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The US just needs to pull itself up by the bootstraps and keep applying to more countries to land a contract.

[–] forrgott@lemmy.zip 22 points 3 days ago

They literally cannot even imagine the idea that their own actions have consequences. Watching these brainless fucks mesmerize so many people around me is absolutely terrifying.

And whether you intended that strictly as sarcasm or not - you're not wrong... We really do need to just sort our shit out as a country already. But there's still some stubborn idiots like me that refuse to give up. Will it be enough to even give us a chance? I dunno

[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yep, America doesn't like 'hand outs' anyway. So they're honestly doing them a favor.

[–] forrgott@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago

But you see, we don't have to earn it - y'all do! Or something. Fuck if I know...

[–] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 40 points 3 days ago

Why didn't Europe protect me from the consequences of my own actions?

[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 38 points 3 days ago

It's like they're not trusting the US for the defence of their sovereignty. That's weird. I wonder why.

[–] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 30 points 3 days ago

Tarriftopia complaining about "protectionist and exclusionary policies that bully American companies out of the market" is amazing.

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 30 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Deputy Secretary of State Christopher Landau on Wednesday slammed European NATO allies for prioritizing their own defense industry over American arms suppliers

BITCH YOU LITERALLY TOLD US THAT IS WHAT YOU WANTED.

Get fucked. I don't consider the US allies anyway, we don't ally with fascists.

Edit: i have been informed that I am to ease on the hyperbole, so correction: read the former through a lens of less hyperbole, violence is bad

[–] Ninjasftw@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think you'll find that what they wanted was Europe to increase their defences spending by buying US made weapons not make their own.

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 13 points 3 days ago

"No, not like that!"

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They want us to fend for ourselves by buying their stuff.

They are idots but it is the reasonable position from their point of view. What is completely unreasonable is the move away from Europe and toward authoitarianism.

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That's the empire. Economic victory condition a few turns away. Important turns.

[–] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"A few turns away" until suddenly the meme of the kid riding a bike shoving a stick in his own spokes.

Well I guess this game is going to be keeping me up all night after all.

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 2 points 2 days ago

Just... One... More... Turn...

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 26 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Just wait until the post-tariff trade deals start hitting in a year or two.

America doesn't have any idea yet the scope of disaster that Donald has created, and the worst part is that he and the other billionaires are insulated from it.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 days ago

Insulated? Profiting off every move more like.

[–] Fluke@feddit.uk 25 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Dear USA,

Womp womp.

Sincerely,

Everywhere Else.

[–] WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org 21 points 3 days ago

America isn't a peer anymore.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Washington is unhappy that some European arms programs limit U.S. participation.

Ok, we can make it all arms programs.

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 5 points 3 days ago
[–] frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Hasn't the regime been tell them to do more for their own defenses? Why are they getting mad at them for doing what was asked?

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 2 points 3 days ago

Because they're a bunch of oligarch fascist psychopaths and they aren't satisfied with dominating their own hemisphere anymore, they got control over their own, now they are going to do the same to Europe.

Between Russia and the USA, I'd say we need to up our defense budgets across the board and talk about much closer collaboration between our nations, to become a force of our own. It's ridiculous this shit.

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago
[–] cv_octavio@piefed.ca 10 points 3 days ago

thoughts and prayers 

[–] LuxSpark@lemmy.cafe 7 points 4 days ago

Looks like a smug fuck.

[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

When is US going to start buying Eurofighter or Leopard 2 then?

[–] notsure@fedia.io 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

...as a US citizen, i am ashamed.

[–] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 1 points 2 days ago

And you are not alone.

[–] Tronn4@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] middlemanSI@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

I was about to praise the use of the word berates but then I read on..

[–] perestroika@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Quick, bring out the bicycle meme.

The US has a president who's gone to great length in demonstrating that the US is unreliable and could be treacherous.

For example, why should Denmark or its allies (the entire EU and NATO) buy weapons from a country whose president has indicated that he dreams of annexing Greenland?

The situation currently is such: Ukraine needs weapons right now, and will happily use European money to buy US weapons. But purchases where multiple alternatives are viable, and there's no hurry? Countries have started preferring their own weapons, or those of countries that are in the same boat.

Here in Eastern Europe, if offered a choice between a hypothetic identical US missile and a Swedish missile, I would consider it likely that supplies of the US missile may be absent at a critical time, while supplies of a Swedish missile will surely increase at a critical time. They're under the same umbrella and will help patch it if someone tries breaking it.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 3 points 2 days ago

Considering that we may have WW3 started by the United States, I very much approve of Europe and friends cutting out America. It would be preferable if they had fully vetted and stockpiled arms, rather than makeshift drones made out of bedframes.

[–] wampus@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

The orange man likely shouldn't have been broadcasting out that he'd sell sub-standard equipment to allies, because "maybe they won't be our allies for long" then.

I know, if America wants to convince the rest of the western world that its arms are top notch, they should provide gear to Ukraine and allow Ukraine to use it without restriction -- seeing those arms actually defeat the Russian arms, would be a convincing case that US arms are high quality. Cause right now, that conflict isn't exactly a winning endorsement of being a US Ally, or buying US kit.

Instead, all we see is the states vulture-circling its client while handicapping their ability to defend themselves with seemingly sub standard weaponry. We see countries like India shifting to Russian arms deals, likely in part because of this sort of thing. Why buy American, if American arms are not allowed to be used against an aggressor nation? Why buy American, if owning those weapons means that Russia can still steamroll you due to America siding with Russia and salivating over your resources?

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The whole point of Europe handing our defense companies to the rear view mirror is to get away from relying on us. I as a american hope they do. The more they do the smaller US defense companies become and that is a good thing for america and its citizens.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 days ago

This sounds like an entirely good thing! Good job EU!

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

respond by expelling thier embassies.

[–] andallthat@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Oh, new intelligence has just emerged that your country's government is supporting a terrorist organization that sending drugs to the US! /s

[–] Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago

Good. Give nothing to the us of fascistland. Even Canada is going to switch to Europe for planes etc.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Biggest global rearming since WW1 and people are cheering about it like they don't understand what happens next.

[–] Humanius@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Most people aren't cheering that we are rearming, but they understand that it is a necessary evil.

Russia is right at our doorsteps and is increasingly aggressive. So we either rearm in the hope that that threat keeps Russia at bay, or we don't and will hopelessly lose if Russia invades.

Personally I prefer the first option.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago

Most people aren’t cheering that we are rearming, but they understand that it is a necessary evil.

Plenty of people are chomping at the bit for a Glorious New War we can all watch on the TV.

Russia is right at our doorsteps

That hasn't been true in over 40 years. And even when it was true, Europeans suffered far more under the paranoid police states of their own governments than any cross border conflict.

Personally I prefer the first option.

Not like any of us have a material say, but enjoy conscription I guess.