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Apostolos Tzitzikostas confirmed that combustion engines will continue past 2035, but only in cars running on low-emissions, renewable fuels such as synthetic and biofuels.

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[โ€“] Lumidaub@feddit.org 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

goddammit

automotive manufacturing industry would lose hundreds of thousands of jobs if all companies were forced to build only electric cars.

What, why?

letter sent by German Chancellor Friedrich Merz to European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen persuaded the governing body

GODDAMMIT FRITZE

[โ€“] RidderSport@feddit.org 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The job losses are mostly due to easier manufacturing of EVs as well as a smaller supply chain. Suppliers of everything inside an ICE will have a very hard time and inevitibly have to cut jobs. These companies are Mahle, ZF to name just two of the bigger German ones.

[โ€“] B0rax@feddit.org 1 points 1 week ago

ZF will have to shift focus into non combustion engine parts. Like axles, transmissions, electric motors, etc. they already have these. They sold some important product categories (like steering) to competitors in the past.

AKA lobbying.

[โ€“] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

what why?

Because german car companys have send the extra time that was given to them, why it was pushed to 2035 instead of in 2025, instead of turning their production towards electric cars, doing nothing. And now they whine about going out of buissness in 10 years and already now because their sales for all their cars plumit

[โ€“] gigachad@piefed.social 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

automotive manufacturing industry would lose hundreds of thousands of jobs

I think it would be millions, to be honest. Maybe it would be one if the greatest job losses ever in history. Maybe not, but I am pretty sure it would be

[โ€“] B0rax@feddit.org 8 points 1 week ago

The job losses would be a result of not having competitive vehicles. Not because of electric

[โ€“] Vincent@feddit.nl 6 points 1 week ago

Surprise, in ten more (Chinese) electric car companies will have an even further lead, and the job losses happen anyway!

[โ€“] Shipgirlboy@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well, considering that the so called "Verbrennerverbot" (combustion engine ban) wasn't really one to begin with, because they could still sell ICE cars as long as they're somehow carbon neutral, and the new requirements don't really change that in a meaningful matter - as far as I understand it - nothing really changed.

Fritze might chalk that up as political win, however. After all he desperately needs one.

[โ€“] Kornblumenratte@feddit.org 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Did anything change? Except the wording: "you may not, except" was changed to " you may, if", and I'm unsure whether this is an actual change of wording or just a different reading of the same legalese.

[โ€“] copacetic@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It seems to be about e-fuels and HVO. I guess some hope that it will become cheap enough in ten years?

[โ€“] Kornblumenratte@feddit.org 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Yes โ€“ but that regulation was passed a couple of years ago. The Greens were crucified (figuratively speaking) for it. When somebody pointed out that old internal combustion engines can still be used, and that new can still be sold if the fuel is produced CO~2~ neutral, no news outlet would print this and nobody would listen. Now, our heroic Bundeskanzler wrote a letter, nothing changed, and he is the hero saving our economy? There's something rotten in the State South of Denmark. Sorry, William for ruining the meter.

It seems a big part of their strategy was: Block the Greens from doing things. Do the things once back in government.

[โ€“] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 week ago

Fucking hell CXU. Always was like that "free market" but then when the big boys on the block are about to die due to the "free market", it suddenly doesnt matter anymore

[โ€“] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 4 points 1 week ago

Guys! Its literally runs on explosions and demon blood! can we not?