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[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I dare you to post this in .ml :P

[–] catsarebadpeople@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Zero chance Pig isn't banned from all of .ml

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

I don't think I am, actually. Mostly because I haven't posted there. I have no desire to. Let the tankies have their echo chamber, just so long as they stay out of decent communities.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago
[–] metaStatic@kbin.earth 1 points 8 months ago

You cannot use a nation state to fix problems with the nation state. Marxism in general has real "the free market will regulate itself" vibes.

[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago (3 children)

This is kind of tangential, but I wish people would make distinction between Marxism and Leninism. Marx didn't say shit about the vanguard party. Imo, we can reject Leninism without having to reject Marxism.

Also don't waste your time arguing with me, because I am woefully uneducated and stupid, but I can only work with what I have, ya know?

[–] voldage@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

I don't think many people on lemmy conflate marxism with leninism outside of .ml, and even there folks seems to see leninism as something on top of marxism and not inherently mixed.

And then we also have people who feel stalinist style "communo facism" would work well because everyone you like will be fed and everyone you don't like will be dead. I don't think anyone ever liked those people, including themselves.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 1 points 8 months ago

I accidentally wandered into a lemmy.ml bit recently and said ML can be rejected just on the basis of consistently devolving into cults. The reply came back of "why do you not like Marxism?" as of that's what I said.

Oh, and they removed that comment and banned me, but that's just as well.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago
[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Thats why leftist unity consistently fails, still better then "libertarian" unity

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I was explaining what the Libertarian Party wanted to my daughter and she said she didn't understand why anyone would want a country like that. I told her that virtually no one else does either, which is why Libertarians almost never get elected.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

They want a lot of horrible things and a lot of good things. Obviously the capitalist parts are disgusting but at least they dont support genocide (which sadly in this year is extremely rare).

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They support a genocide of the poor. One that involves letting them starve to death due to the total lack of social services.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Thats to be expected in American politics, I was referring to the fact that at least that dont support the military or funding Israel. Also genocide of the poor is entirely the fault of capitalism and you cant vote that away.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

"As long as they don't support the genocide I care about, the genocide they would allow to happen because capitalism is fine." Gotcha. You do realize that their idea of capitalism where that happens is only what they want, hence my point.

Very few other people are saying there should be absolutely zero social services and near zero taxation. Just them. That is just death to the poor.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I never said I support capitalism, I said that I despise imperalism and militarism. Also have we not seen death to the poor under Liberalism, those social services are a band aid solution to the gaping wound that is capitalism. Ideally I would like to see a Libertarian-Socialist party get elected (or even better an Anarcho-Syndicalist revolution) but sadly those aren't options yet.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about the members of the Libertarian party. Because that's what they stand for. Elimination of almost all social services and taxes. Which would literally kill countless poor people. It would absolutely be genocidal. It's just not the genocide that concerns you apparently.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

7,877 homeless people died in the US during 2020 source

Meanwhile over 34,904 Palestinians have been killed since Oct 7, over 1.1 million Palestinians are facing IPC Phase 5 catastrophic food insecurity, and over 1.7 million people have been displaced source

How many millions of people have died and how many tens of millions of people have been killed by imperalism and war just over the course of the last two decades alone? Do you have no problem with it because those people are far away or do you have no problem because its the global south?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Was the Libertarian Party in charge in 2020? No.

Are homeless people the only sort of poor people who need assistance? No.

So what the hell does this have to do with the Libertarian genocide of the poor that would happen if they were in power?

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Im saying does homeless genocide suck, absolutely. But even you have to acknowledge that the wars and genocides brought on by imperalism are significantly worse. The only difference is one is further away and in places you dont think about. At the end of the day I would rather we have neither but that won't be achieved until capitalism is destroyed.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yes, again, I get that you think one genocide is more important than another.

To me, genocide is genocide.

And, again, we're talking about a hypothetical scenario.