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So I was just renewing a contract with a VPN provider, and paid out for a couple years it works out to somewhere under $2/month.

ISPs around me can run from about $50-$150/month

If I'm putting the major bulk of my traffic over a tunnel that could eat up a sizable chunk of a given connection point for the provider that I'm sure costs more than $2/month to maintain. I would have to assume it would take the combined subscriptions of several users to pay for a given node.

So how does that work as a business model? Unless these VPN providers are getting a steal on their connections it's hard to envision how they can manage to pay their costs without these nodes being absolutely bottlenecked when a few people start streaming some shows.

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[–] actionjbone@sh.itjust.works 59 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

If you are in the United States, ISPs are largely unregulated and charge whatever the fuck they want. They make ridiculous profits.

Many other developed countries have dramatically cheaper internet access with significantly higher speeds.

[–] TeamAssimilation@infosec.pub 3 points 9 hours ago

For you to have fast internet, someone had to lay out the cable from their comm centers to your house. They can still be overpriced, but they have a lot of infrastructure that VPN providers get to use for free.

[–] recklessengagement@lemmy.world 23 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

American residential internet prices are a fucking rip

But also. VPNs do not need to worry about the "last mile", I.e. infrastructure to your house, which is most of the cost of your residential service.

[–] ShellMonkey@piefed.socdojo.com 2 points 4 hours ago

That last mile thing would make a lot more sense if the carriers kept enough staff to have appointments not take a week. Add to that the wireless carriers around don't have much price advantage either, but that's mostly a 'fuck you, we can' pricing I figure.

The joys of living in the corn fields.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 19 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

ISPs only cost like $10 a month to run.

VPN providers have to manage less hardware

[–] finalarbiter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

How the hell does all the physical infrastructure an ISP maintains cost that little?

That doesn't sound like it's even in the ballpark, given that even the server they might host their website and payment portal on would likely cost more than that in electricity use.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 4 points 7 hours ago

It depends on the service level. Gigabit is something like $30 minimum just due to the fiberoptic hardware and bandwidth egress.

[–] TAG@lemmy.world 17 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

With an ISP, you are not paying much for your bandwidth to the Internet. You are paying for connection between your house and their office. Your ISP has to maintain many miles of wire across your city. They also need to maintain equipment that can handle thousands of individual connections across many individual wires.

In comparison, a VPN provider just has a couple of very big connections going into their data center for pushing data in and out.

Plus, you likely have only a few choices of ISP (or only one choice), so your ISP can maintain a very healthy profit margin. With VPN providers, there is a ton of competition, so they have to charge you only a little above actual cost.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 8 points 11 hours ago

So much goes into that last mile of service.

SOURCE: Old cable internet guy.

[–] deadcream@sopuli.xyz 11 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Unlimited 100 Mbps internet costs around $5/month where I'm at

[–] ShellMonkey@piefed.socdojo.com 1 points 3 hours ago

There's a fiber build in progress around here that I expect is going to kill all the existing local carriers, or at least force them to drop prices by a drastic amount. Nothing close to $5 though.

[–] epyon22@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 hours ago

Commercial data centers. Auto scaling infrastructure and just sheer scale. At $2 it may be at cost or a loss to generate future sales.

[–] Mavytan@feddit.nl 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Others have given plenty of good reasons. But on top of that they'll make money from all the people paying for the subscription but currently not using it, like any subscription service does. Most users won't use their vpn 100% of the time

[–] ShellMonkey@piefed.socdojo.com 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I'm something of an outlier in the use level for sure with all the self hosting. When my kids starts downloading these several hundred GB games for the consoles though that take hours to pull it can sure eat the bandwidth up. Makes me wonder what the more typical home user's average is.

[–] Mavytan@feddit.nl 1 points 1 hour ago

Less than a GB per day on average for me, don't use it most of the time, mostly for watching content abroad

VPNs are basically free to host. All you need is one server and you can put hundreds of people on it if you really hate them.

ISPs have to actually run cables to your house, to other nodes, sometimes pay to route traffic through certain connections.

Also most cheap/free VPNs are either stealing and selling your data, or using your network as a VPN for others.

[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 2 points 10 hours ago

If I’m putting the major bulk of my traffic over a tunnel that could eat up a sizable chunk of a given connection point for the provider that I’m sure costs more than $2/month to maintain. I would have to assume it would take the combined subscriptions of several users to pay for a given node.

Most VPN users do not saturate their connection the entire time. Which means they can overload their nodes.

They also have fatter pipes and dedicated hardware that allows them to handle a lot of traffic from many different endpoints.

[–] TachyonTele@piefed.social -2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Aren't they just spoofing your address? I never thought they actually had any infrastructure.

[–] ShellMonkey@piefed.socdojo.com 9 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

A VPN creates a private tunnel to route traffic over, so in effect they need to have the bandwidth for both your payload and the tunnel overhead.

[–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 3 points 11 hours ago

Makes sense. Thanks