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[–] sijifec@lemmy.world 41 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

It's absolutely insane that middle class families are basically paying the electricity bills of billionaires

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https://www.forbes.com/profile/jeff-bezos/?list=rtb

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https://www.forbes.com/profile/mark-zuckerberg/

[–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (2 children)

Another fine example of big business socializing the costs of the business while privatizing the profit. True fairness would make them pay for the cost of adding the additional capacity that they require, rather than jacking up everyone's rates to pay it for them.

[–] KazuyaDarklight@lemmy.world 8 points 16 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 15 hours ago

Ope, caught me! Thanks for the correction!

[–] dan@upvote.au 1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

make them pay for the cost of adding the additional capacity that they require

Isn't this what they're attempting to do, at least partially? Most of the big tech companies are funding development of nuclear power plants.

https://world-nuclear-news.org/articles/google-to-fund-elementl-to-prepare-three-nuclear-power-sites

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/06/03/meta-signs-nuclear-power-deal-with-constellation-energy-.html

What I'm unsure about is if it's just IOUs (Investor Owned Utilities) that are increasing electricity prices, or if municipal providers are doing it too. IOUs use every excuse to increase their prices, including in cases where their costs don't increase that much.

[–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 14 hours ago

That is what some of the tech companies are doing. For situations like the one in the article, that obviously isn't the case, since rates are going up. If the tech companies are building and maintaining their own infrastructure for their outsized power needs, rates should either stay the same or fall (assuming that the tech company builds capacity to handle peak loads during LLM training and sells capacity during non peak loads). Rates going up in response to new data centers can only mean that the other grid users are subsidizing new capacity being added or buying energy from elsewhere at a higher rate.

[–] Nighed@feddit.uk 29 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

More infuriating is media's insistence to measure electrical energy cost changes in comparison to some average user instead of just giving the unit price change, useless!

[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 22 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (2 children)

Can anyone ELI5 why the cost gets passed on to people not even consuming the majority of the energy?

[–] KazuyaDarklight@lemmy.world 22 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

A lot of the uptick is probably at least "blamed" on the need for infrastructure upgrades. These "benefit everyone" even though they are caused by basically one client, so the price increase to cover the upgrades is applied to everyone.

[–] Fermion@mander.xyz 5 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

The supply side of power generation is coordinated by a bid system. So the cheapest sources are activated first. As demand goes up increasingly expensive forms of power generation are turned on.

For daily and seasonal variation, this is fine. The amount of time that really expensive generation is active is only a small portion and the base rate can stay low. However, if you add a bunch of baseload without adding equivalent generation, your utility will be stuck buying at the top end of the capacity market auction. The datacenter will have negotiated a discounted rate though because constant demand is good for the utility in the long run. That leaves everyone else paying a big rate increase.

Source: none given, but the capacity auction is a real thing, and the predicted behaviour of such a system can be reasoned.

[–] gustofwind@lemmy.world 9 points 16 hours ago

So why don’t these companies with nation state resources just build power?

Because they’d rather let us pay for it and pocket the difference

It’s that simple

[–] riskable@programming.dev 9 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Mandate that all data centers be self powered via renewable energy sources already!

[–] MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 4 points 14 hours ago

Best I can do is a shitload of gas generators.

[–] BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz 7 points 15 hours ago

But if we Force Billionaires To Pay for Their Electricity that would be SOCIALISM!

-LITERALLY Republicans!

[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

If it means we get many GW of Solar added so be it... but I bet the oil guys will say "just add more gas turbines" and give them a rebate on the generators

AI datacenters are the scapegoat to a bigger problem

[–] Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago

Thank goodness I'm not ordinary!