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[–] MimicJar@lemmy.world 125 points 1 day ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (4 children)

Paul will cave and allow this to pass, this is what he does almost every time.

That being said, I hope he doesn't. If Congress wants to increase regulation for hemp derived THC (also called Delta 8 THC) then put together a separate bill and run it through the process.

That won't happen because Congress doesn't actually pass bills anymore. They just lump everything together and slap "must pass" on it.

Also this quote is fun,

Manufacturers of beverage alcohol, one of the most highly regulated consumer products, urge the Senate to reject Sen. Paul’s attempts to allow hemp-derived THC products to be sold devoid of federal regulation and oversight across the country

This type of THC has been available for several years with minimal regulation and the US has been just fine.


Edit: Reading articles is difficult. At the time of the article posting (~2pm Monday) Paul hadn't "caved". At the time of my comment (Tuesday) he already had.

The Sunday vote was cloture, aka we're done debating.

The Senate had already taken a major first step toward ending the shutdown Sunday night, voting to end debate on a motion to proceed to a House-passed continuing resolution. But procedural rules require 30 hours of “post-cloture” debate before senators can vote to proceed, followed by four more votes to pass the full funding package.

The Monday vote happened around 8pm, since that was less than 30 hours later there must have been another vote to skip the 30 hour timer.

Given the timing Paul, at best, delayed the vote by 6 hours.

[–] Davel23@fedia.io 47 points 1 day ago (29 children)

This type of THC has been available for several years with minimal regulation and the US has been just fine

I mean, it hasn't, but it has nothing to do with the availability of marijuana.

[–] MimicJar@lemmy.world 40 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Fair enough. The US has been just fine with regards to the wide availability of his particular form of THC.

We're not living in a world of "Reefer Madness".

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 day ago

We’re not living in a world of “Reefer Madness”.

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[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Until recently, my red state has thca which is what the plant naturally produces. It was really convenient to walk into a decent store and get a $5 gram. Then they closed that loophole specifically earlier this year. And to be clear, they had lab results and all the sorta info you would get at a medical place.

[–] running_ragged@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

To be fair, if a product isn’t properly regulated, there’s nothing to stop producers from printing good looking lab results on the labels and say good enough. Doesn’t mean its been tested, or the data on the labels and say matches the contents at all..

Seems like there has been report after report on this problem being prevalent in the supplement industry.

When I went there it was a well put together, clean place, clerks did seem sketchy, and the labels matched the results. I know what you're saying, but I can be at least certain they weren't selling vitamin E-acetate vapes.

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[–] blattrules@lemmy.world 59 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

Every democrat tried to hold out to keep health insurance rates down for millions of people and the republicans refused to negotiate. Now one asshole republican refuses to cooperate until some drugs are less easy to get and they’re going to accommodate him? Really shows what republicans think of 50% of the population.

Edit: he’s trying to remove the language that would make it more difficult to sell hemp products. He’s still an asshole and the republicans still suck for ignoring half the country and entertaining one of their senators demands, but he’s right about this thing.

[–] raef@lemmy.world 43 points 1 day ago

He wants the provision to restrict the sales removed, so less less easy to get

[–] Today@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago
[–] snausagesinablanket@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (4 children)

He is trying to save the number one job and revenue creator for Kentucky. Hemp derived cannabinoids. Where did you parrot your info from ?

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[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

You've misunderstood what Rand is doing here. He wants language that restricts the sale of hemp-derived cannabinoids removed from the bill. I happen to agree with him here, hemp is practically the only thing Kentucky still has going for it.

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[–] bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 55 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Do they even read the bills the first time?

It seems no one likes.. Omnibus bills? Where they sneak a loss of citizen rights into a "must pass" bill like this.

It happens every year and everyone hates them aside from lobbiers.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

This hide-the-shit-in-the-sandwich bullshit needed to have ended decades ago, along with the filibuster.

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 10 points 1 day ago

"Wait, you have to pass this bill? Sweet, the bill now says that you give me all the money."

[–] ClydapusGotwald@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Republicans can’t read. If they could they’d be mad at your comment.

[–] tomatolung@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago

Senate Majority Leader John Thune (R-S.D.) made the stakes clear Monday morning. There is only one “objector” to speeding up Senate consideration of the government funding package — Paul. The senator wants to strip a section from the bill that would prevent the sale of hemp-derived products like Delta-8 at gas stations, corner stores, or online without federal regulation.

Paul defended his stance as part of his duty to Kentucky. “Just to be clear: I am not delaying this bill. The timing is already fixed under Senate procedure. But there is extraneous language in this package that has nothing to do with reopening the government and would harm Kentucky’s hemp farmers and small businesses,” he said in a statement posted on X. “Standing up for Kentucky jobs is part of my job,” he added.

[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 30 points 21 hours ago (5 children)

Rand Paul isn't the one throwing a wrench in things, here. It's dirtbag Republicans deciding a budget bill is when they're going to try to kill the marijuana industry with an unrelated amendment to the bill.

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[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 26 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

So once again the democrats not only sold out their constituents on healthcare and snap for literally a “promise of a vote” but they shit on them even more by allowing regulation on thc products? This will not only hurt a huge sector of the economy but it will open the door for police to target minorities for minor drug possession.

This makes no fuckin sense.

[–] HurlingDurling@lemmy.world 7 points 21 hours ago

Hate is the key factor in all of this.

[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It’ll be interesting if the Republican infighting/greed scuttles the deal and we’re left with a closed government. All the blame would come crashing down on them at that point and the Democrats could say “see, we tried to work with them but they didn’t want it”. It could tacitly save the subsidies.

But then again, never underestimate their ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

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[–] boaratio@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago
[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (4 children)

A deal to end the 41-day government shutdown is running into turbulence, thanks to a single Senate objection: Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.).

Senate Republican and Democratic leaders say they need to resolve Paul’s objection to a provision in the government funding package before they can accelerate consideration of the bill. The provision would restrict the unregulated sale of intoxicating...hemp-derived products like Delta-8 at gas stations, corner stores, or online without federal regulation.

I mean, do we really need this provision, right now? I'm not necessarily opposed to federal regulation of Delta-8 products, but can't we address that at a later date? Let's get the government open and worry about Delta-8 later.

[–] Prox@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Rand Paul agrees. He's objecting because he doesn't want the provision.

The senator wants to strip a section from the bill that would prevent the sale of hemp-derived products like Delta-8 at gas stations, corner stores, or online without federal regulation.

Paul defended his stance as part of his duty to Kentucky. “Just to be clear: I am not delaying this bill. The timing is already fixed under Senate procedure. But there is extraneous language in this package that has nothing to do with reopening the government and would harm Kentucky’s hemp farmers and small businesses,” he said in a statement posted on X. “Standing up for Kentucky jobs is part of my job,” he added.

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[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Mitch McConnel is the one who added that provision and Rand Paul wants it removed.

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[–] Jumbie@lemmy.zip 16 points 16 hours ago

I don’t know who needs to hear this shit but I don’t give a fuck about any of these assholes any longer.

One party’s default is evil. The other aggressively leans towards cowardice.

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 16 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

It's an imaginary wrench, because it's still going to pass.

Boy, if only the spineless wimp dems didn't cave, Trump would be in a fucking panic right now with the ATC situation. Instead, they delivered him a win right before he would have felt the most squeeze.

[–] Guitarfun@lemmy.world 7 points 18 hours ago

Our only hope now is the release of the Epstein files. I hope they can prove trump was a client and his whole base turns on him. That's all I fucking want for Christmas.

[–] GaryGhost@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

I'll pretend karma is real to cope with more terrible news

[–] bobaworld@lemmy.world 15 points 22 hours ago (5 children)

Adding this comment because it's very clear to me that most people have a really poor understanding of hemp-derived THC products in general.

Delta-8 THC is an unregulated cannabinoid that can be made by converting CBD through a chemical process. But hemp also contains Delta-9 THC, which is the same thing that would come in the recreational or medical cannabis you’d get in a legal state. The limitation is that the products are only allowed to contain up to 0.3% Delta-9 THC by volume. The funny workaround here is that products like edibles and drinks can easily still contain a recreational dose of Delta-9 THC while staying well below 0.3% THC by volume. This has created a legal market for THC products which this legislation is threatening.

[–] LePoisson@lemmy.world 10 points 21 hours ago

I'll go one further for you.

Now there is THCa on the market that when you heat it - you know by smoking it or whatever your method of choice - literally turns into Delta-9 THC. Some light reading on it.

So there is this really odd legal gray area now. I think it should be abundantly clear by now that marijuana should just be fucking legal, it's readily available all over the place and it being illegal on the federal level is just dumb. It's safer than alcohol and we have ads for that shit shoved in our faces everywhere we go.

[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 5 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Adding to this that in some markets the unregulated and untested delta-8 products have found their way into places that sell products to kids, like convenience stores whereas the regulated stuff is sold in adults only locations. These delta 8 products threaten the legal market in some places.

This is of course avoiding the issues of improper extraction in the extract part of the market.

They need to do this but in a separate bill that is part of federal legalization of cannabis.

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[–] Alenalda@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Paul is holding up? or is mconell holding up adding this unnecessary bullshit in the first place.

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[–] evilcultist@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago

Another article I saw said that the rider adds such a strict requirement for THC content that 95% of the CBD sold in the U.S. would be made illegal.

[–] SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"Delta 8"? What the fuck? Do they mean "weed"?

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (14 children)

it's a different form of psychoactive compound, it's a THC-like compound derived from Hemp. It's not the exact same molecular structure so it's technically unregulated.

I have only heard mixed reviews and reactions to the stuff, so I avoid it like all untested, unknown head-shop and gas-station drugs barely skirting the law.

edit: sources have told me that the bill's wording would allow them to absolutely decimate the legal weed market because the wording allows them to ban the sales of anything that even resembles a THC molecule. (Nobody tell them about what your brain produces or they will ban heads.)

[–] SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Why spend so much effort deriving this diet-THC from hemp instead of just selling actual cannabis?

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Because even in states where recreational cannabis is legal, it's still highly restricted and taxed, that's why there's usually only limited numbers of dispensaries and they have to follow pretty strict city guidelines, and still cannot be purchased with credit cards or bank cards because it's still a federally controlled substance even if the state legalizes it. Which is also why cannabis products can't normally be shipped over state lines. Cannabis is still giant headache despite being highly profitable.

Meanwhile, this shit basically doesn't even exist in the eyes of the federal government, it can be sold anywhere and bought with any currency, it hasn't even been studied enough to get scheduled and managed, and this is also partially due to the fact that every time one chemical compound gets scheduled, a couple more slight variants pop up. It's almost like people really, really want to get high and the more you try to stop people from getting high, the worse the problem gets.

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[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

because I can order it through the mail in Georgia without having to fly to New York every couple of months.

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