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The Democrats were furious Monday over eight senators who caved to support a deal to end the government shutdown that does not include the Affordable Care Act subsidies their party had spent weeks fighting for.

The offending lawmakers include Democratic Senators Dick Durbin, Tim Kaine, Jacky Rosen, John Fetterman, Catherine Cortez Masto, Maggie Hassan, Jeanne Shaheen, and independent Senator Angus King, who claimed that they’d ensured a Senate vote on extending the tax credits. Their capitulation comes after House Speaker Mike Johnson insisted for weeks that he wouldn’t promise them a vote on anything, and even if he does follow through with a vote, it’s unlikely such a measure will pass the House.

Democratic lawmakers slammed their colleagues for forfeiting health care coverage for an estimated 5.1 million Americans by 2034 and increasing premiums across the marketplace.

Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders railed against the deal while speaking before the Senate Sunday. “If this vote succeeds, over 20 million Americans are gonna see at least a doubling in their premiums in the Affordable Care Act,” he said. “For certain groups of people, it will be a tripling and a quadrupling of their premiums. There are people who will now be paying 50 percent of their limited incomes for health care. Does anybody in the world think that makes sense?”

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[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 295 points 6 days ago (44 children)

"We ensured a vote!"

Bullshit. Even if the vote happens, it won't pass, and even if it did, Trump could veto it. This was the one chance to save the ACA and also to really damage Trumpism. The shutdown was devastating to the GOP and the Dems would have won eventually just like in 2019, but instead these 8 traitors are handing the country over when they've just had their only real opportunity to fight this administration.

Fuck them all. Every single one of them should be ejected from the caucus.

[–] ieatpwns@lemmy.world 133 points 6 days ago (15 children)

They held out for 40 days just to torture ppl who need benefits

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 34 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yep and Leadership sit this up so it look like it was 8 traitor. These were all safe seats. Its goddamn conspiracy. Fuck Chuck.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago (3 children)

And this is why we need to shout down and muppet that blindly parrots "vote blue no matter who." These folks rely on the flawed assumption that electing Democrats is the fastest way to fight authoritarianism. But if the party is actually just a scam? If it's just controlled opposition? You have no great options at that point. At that point your only option is to ignore the fake opposition and push for a new left wing party, even if it takes you 20 years to implement. Voting for a captured opposition party is little more than an act of masturbation.

[–] BremboTheFourth@piefed.ca 19 points 6 days ago

Voting is hilariously low effort. Always vote for the best option available. If you don't actually like who you voted for of course you should advocate for a new party and/or voting system, but you should still vote in the meantime

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They know it won't pass.

They're relying on the old tactic of them getting that vote, then blaming progressives for failing to get it passed.

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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 73 points 6 days ago (13 children)

MAGA tried to hold the Dems hostage, demanding our health care as ransom, and if we didn't comply, the richest in America would LITERALLY starve the poorest in America, to death.

Instead of caving, the Dems held out, and won a MASSIVE election victory, then, with all their new political capital, they voluntarily flushed it down the toilet, and gave MAGA everything they wanted, and got absolutely nothing in return.

Schmuck Schumer has to go, and every cowardly Democrat must be primaried. A handful need to be brought back (Bernie, AOC, Frost, Crocket, et al), but the rest can go.

I'm so sick of these weak, cowardly Democrats. No wonder MAGAs hate them, and bully them. They have no self-respect at all. Truly pathetic.

[–] acchariya@lemmy.world 22 points 6 days ago (1 children)

They are not cowardly, they are part of the same team as their so called opponents. Different flavors, same late stage capitalism.

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[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Never underestimate the Dems' ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

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[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 70 points 6 days ago (2 children)

California Governor Gavin Newsom summed the situation up the most succinctly. “Pathetic,” he wrote on X Sunday.

Even Newsom is piling on?

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 27 points 6 days ago

He's a very opportunistic politician, he knows how unpopular the dems are right now, he is carving out his path for '28, but I have very little faith that his almost inevitable presidency will bring us any real change for the people.

[–] Substance_P@lemmy.world 56 points 6 days ago (4 children)
[–] half_fiction@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Only reach out to them if you are actually in their state. When they receive a flood of calls from people around the country, it's easy for them to write it off and claim they're just getting brigaded and it's not something their actual constituents disagree with.

[–] PeacefulForest@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Nah they are supposed to represent the Democratic Party, and they just caved and took some sort of pay out from the Trump administration. So they can kiss my ass and hear what I have to say

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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 12 points 6 days ago (2 children)

They don't care, they aren't up for re-election, that's why Schmuck Schumer had them vote Yes, so he could vote No, and try to pretend that he was shocked by this.

He's Senate Majority Leader, he not only knew about it, he was steering it. This is 100% him.

Fire the cowardly bitch.

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[–] theparadox@lemmy.world 39 points 6 days ago (7 children)

They may have been "protecting" the filibuster. If Republicans removed the filibuster, it would pave the way for Democrats to do the same thing. If Democrats were to lose the excuse of the Republican filibuster stopping them from passing legislation, they'd be forced to reveal that there are many more fucking disingenuous pieces of shit just like Manchin and Sinema ready to tank progressive legislation.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago (7 children)

It's "oops all manchins" as far as I'm concerned,

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[–] Daxelman@lemmy.zip 38 points 6 days ago (1 children)

They used to kill politicians for less.

[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago

We used to know how to deal with aristocrats and bad politicians

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 31 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Oh man they're really feeling torn into! I bet they're sitting in their mansions just racked with guilt and shame over how upset their constituents are! I'm sure they feel just awful for their staffer who has to reply to all the messages they get with a bland, form letter that addresses none of their questions or concerns.

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[–] rayyy@piefed.social 25 points 6 days ago (2 children)

To be fair it was 7 Democrats and one turn-coat, John Fetterman.

[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago

6 Democrats, 1 turncoat, and 1 Independent.

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[–] PeacefulForest@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago

I cannot fucking believe it. -Jon Stewart

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Textbook definition of controlled opposition


Some rambling thoughts:

For all the screeching about 3P leading up to the election, NOW might be the time to drive something like the Working Families Party (that helped elect Zohran) forward and purposefully fragment the Dems at a federal level. What is there to lose? They're compromised and failing to pose any kind of opposition while Nazis literally control every facet of federal government (and are definitely fucking with elections). Splitting the party would act as a dead man's switch that puts pressure on the Dems to shift left and form a coalition or officially die as a party.

Realistically, ~3% support would be enough to be a serious threat. Remember that MAGA started with the joke of a tea party

I'm not saying this is a perfect idea, this is just an angry shower thought in response to the Dems. But I wanna know your thoughts, agree or disagree

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Which one of these senators has a primary opponent?

[–] HuntressHimbo@lemmy.zip 70 points 6 days ago (5 children)

My understanding is none, because they chose members who are already retiring for this

[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 28 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Fetterman isn't a Democrat anymore. He will likely get voted out next term, regardless.

King is not a Democrat.

Masto is barely a Democrat, but that's what her constituents wanted.

Shaheen is retiring.

Durbin is retiring.

Rosen and Kaine have not announced retirement, so they are interesting. Rosen just won a very close race in Nevada, so she either tried to appease conservative voters there or thinks she is gone anyway. No idea what Kaine is thinking.

[–] vateso5074@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Rosen and Kaine have not announced retirement, so they are interesting. Rosen just won a very close race in Nevada, so she either tried to appease conservative voters there or thinks she is gone anyway. No idea what Kaine is thinking.

Never discount the possibility of blackmail, too.

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[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago (1 children)

What we'll never hear is what those eight received in their personal bank accounts. They weren't so much "holding out" as negotiating.

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[–] Profligate_parasite@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Dems prove once again that they have NO IDEA how to represent the people who voted for them... or even just like, make themselves even slightly likable.

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[–] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago (3 children)
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[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago

Extortion works

[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

Fucking expel them.

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