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Hmm, I think even 4 retiring every day seems to be a lot....
I guess there are over 14,000 controllers normally, so if 20 retire a week that's a turnover of about 1000 per year, or about 7%, just through retirement. That seems high.
But at 20 a day, we might have run through that number just during the shutdown.
It is high for a normal workforce, but the ATC pool has been greying for a long time because of a mix of neglect and mismanagement like we’re seeing right now.
Reagan made it a shitty place to work and Trump is stiffing them while taking away food stamps.
What was the movie? Tin something?
It had Billy Bob Thornton in it, I'm sure you can find it out with that information, I can't fucking remember either but it did start with the word TIN
I just looked it up it's pushing tin
Yep. Was it also John Cusack?
And Angelina Jolie.
Pushing Tin?
Tin Cup was the golf movie with Kevin Costner, right?
It's an issue across government agencies. It has been encouraged and mandated through several administration's to cut positions. Eventually many agencies have ended up with a lot of low levels temporary employees and several coveted high ranking permanent positions with very very few positions in between. So basically it's very hard to move up, but then people retire and there's only like 2 people left qualified for the promotion.
20 a day right now, and that number is going to escalate. They're working without pay, bills and rent/mortgage are overdue, savings are disappearing, and trump has said he thinks government workers who are working through the shutdown don't deserve to be paid for that work when it ends. It's a cascade effect, where every retirement increases pressure on those who remain, some of whom will also chose to leave, increasing pressure, etc.
At some point, there isn't going to be much to stop the cascade, and we were already short on ATC recruitment before all this.
It's also a very stressful job to be doing without all that. There are not a lot of people that can do things without any compensation.
oh yeah and theyve already been getting fucked this year. id be out too
Given how long it takes to train them, this is going to take a bit to recover from.
If only they could adjust the requirements or figure out a way to make it easier...
There likely isn't a way to do that. Not while maintaining a reasonable level of air travel safety and scale.
I wish the air traffic controllers would go on strike. Two days of that and suddenly congress would open right back up.
Because that’s what happened last time.
Hear me out. After they get fired, other essential workers should also go on strike. Every. One.
Getting them to all do it at once is the hard part. If only some do it, they sacrifice for little to no results. That's why things are the way they are, to minimize organization and maximize the risk.
Doesn't help when they made life so unlivable that you're constantly worried about everything. Really good system for legal slavery.
Unionization and strikes are fully doable with the means provided, especially given large unions that could assist with their strike funds. We do not live in legal slavery yet, and being willing to make the small sacrifice today for a better tomorrow is necessary to keep it that way. Sign up for a union today, organize your workplace tomorrow, and prepare for a general strike.
Unions and strikes are the symptoms of a failed system. I have a really bad feeling the moment everyone realizes the aristocratic society wanted this economic system the sooner we can switch to a real economy that doesn't have socialism. Capitalism works but most companies should've died in covid not being able to make it. The fact that all these companies saw record profits means its a controlled market and no longer capitalism anyways.
This is the result of capitalism, caused by it. Capitalism inevitably brings about a failed system.
But, unions are also a part of capitalism . They allow every to bargain. Otherwise, everything is captive to the rich
Not getting paid anyway is motivational.
Last time was a disaster that put the ATC system on a long term downwards spiral. They can't afford to do that again.
I mean, they could. It would end with the complete collapse the US air transport system.
They’ve been burned by that kind of thinking.
Fuck Reagan
Sadly, true.
This is a WINNING Policy and it's ABSURD that it Didn't Reflect at the POLLS!
And it's not like they're actively hiring replacements
This speaks more about the state of our economy than the shutdown. Apparently there were all these old men at retirement age that were still working, presumably because they couldn’t afford to retire. Our country is fucked
They will get Grok, apple ai to do their jobs.
What's that in percent?
