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Give it a minute. The American general public had at least ten years to get familiar with Trump and what he's about. His plans for this year were not hidden, even a little bit. They voted him in again anyway just a year ago. Now they're acting like this was all an unexpected shock.
All we learned from this week is that Americans are capable of remembering not to put their hand on the hot stove a third time, provided their other hand is still on the same hot stove from the second time.
Our media went to great lengths to hide the bad shit about this pedo and to amplify any and every flaw about Biden/Harris. Even the "left wing media" that the right likes to cry about also did this. And many won't care until it directly affects themselves, and even then only one that specific topic.
It's not that the public forgot, but that leadership failed to offer an alternative other than "not Trump". When the Democrats do offer an alternative like Mamdani, people show up. And 80% of those that showed up voted for him, not against the other candidate. Not even Obama accomplished that.
It’s wasn’t “not Trump”. It was NOT FASCISM. That people STILL don’t understand this, while further entrenching themselves within faulty logic bodes poorly for the future.
America will be remembered as a cautionary tale on not leaning from history…
What will the Democratic leadership learn from Mamdani's win?
They've only taken away "charismatic" candidate
It was not just "not Trump", it was "not insane", and not threatening to tear down democracy and destroy healthcare and the economy. It was business as usual over sociopathy.
The choice should have been clear. But too many Americans are sociopaths, and chose to really stick it to the minorities until they die. Americans voted for Trump not despite he is a sociopath, but because of it. Americans want revenge for their lousy lives more than they want to improve things for everybody.
The Dems won other places than New York.
It was "not Trump, status quo." Nobody but the rich liked the status quo, but anybody who's not an idiot knew it was MUCH, MUCH BETTER than...well, what we have now.
Don't be mistaken, Mandani's win is not America's win, it's NY win. America as a whole is way more stupid and way more evil than that. Hell, even broad democratic voters are worse than that, Bernie lost popular vote on primaries twice afterall.
When the Democrats do offer an alternative like Mamdani, people show up.
I'd like to rephrase that to make a point: When progressive voters show up and vote in the primaries for the more progressive candidate, there's more likely to be a more progressive Democratic candidate on the ballot in the general and people will show up for them.
Point is the Democratic Party powers that be did not willingly "offer an alternative like Mamdani". They hated that he was the candidate and tried to get Cuomo elected instead. Mamdani was only "offered" thanks to the voters who showed up and voted for him in the primary.
I think that downplays how good of a candidate Mamdani was and how differently he ran his campaign. It also blinds us to new lessons.
I don't see how it downplays at all how good a candidate he was, if anything it shows how good he must have been to overcome his own party's elite trying to stop him. My point is that they might have stopped him, if it weren't for the people who turned out in the primary. Just think what quality candidates we could get if people would support them in the primaries, instead of waiting until the general and seeing who other people chose in the primary and then being disappointed. My point is we need to turn out for the primaries. When potential candidates see voters supporting progressive candidates more will decide to run because they'll know they have a chance.
Just shows how dumb Americans really are. And comparing a presidential election to a material one. And the most votes cast is also BS they're going by numbers and I assume in 2025 the population is higher then in 1989. But 34% voter turnout is good for a municipal election but not the barn burner your describing. And still a lot of people not voting. And the progressives seem to only care to vote when Trump is in power. The second election after Trump they won't show up again as they don't care.
The American general public had at least ten years to get familiar with Trump and what he's about.
Far longer than that.
He's been known publicly as a sack of shit since at least the '90s.
He’s too narcissistic to even realize the irony that it is his policies, his incompetent appointees, and his apoplectic abuse that is crashing the GOP. It is insane that the meltdown has been this glacially paced.
He’ll be back; we’re in the devaluation phase of the narcissistic abuse cycle. Next, he’ll try to discard the whole party to start his own. When his finds that unworkable, he’ll come slithering back.
Let’s just hope this time most republicans will be too exhausted to continue propagandizing themselves with Trump’s inane double-think.
America, the abused house wife, is realizing how abusive their husband is ...... again.
I don't understand how the working class folks "shifted" to Democratic party.
Haven't the democrats been the working class party all along?
Citizens United made bribery legal, and the working class has been broken down for decades and forced into poverty.
There is no American "working class" party, because they can't afford to bribe any of the parties. Democrats sorta kinda pretend to care, occasionally, so they are currently wearing the mantle.
Citizens United made it worse, but we were fucked before then. Lobbying is just legalized bribery. We need to repeal Citizens United but then we need to keep going and rework the whole campaign finance and lobbying systems too.
Working class people tend to be less-educated, live in more rural areas, be a part of less-diverse communities, and be prone to accept authority figures. And the GOP has spent a half-century trying to convince that exact group that every problem they're experiencing is actually the opposite. So they vote against their best interests in election after election, and then the people they voted for successfully convince them that the Democrats actually torpedoed it all and they could've actually made everything better if they just had one more term...rinse and repeat across 25+ election cycles.
Working class people tend to be less-educated, live in more rural areas
I think the working class is much broader than that, and part of our problem is this perception.
It's definitely getting broader than that, with the way that wealth stratification continues to skyrocket. But I don't mean "actually rural," I really do mean "more rural." A good amount of city real estate prices have priced lower-income folks out of the urban core in many (most?) cities, gentrifying the downtown and resulting in a reversal of 1980s White Flight as the working class move to now-cheaper suburban and rural communities.
I didn't mean just farmers or whatever. I just mean people who haven't got the money to live in the Trader Joe's district.
People that make enough to "live in the trader Joe's district" but have to keep working at their job to keep living in their apartment have way more in common with people that make less than them than they do the people that don't have to work at all.
I'm terms of policy, yes. But a lot of dipshit blue collar workers believe the propaganda from Fox News and adjacent outlets, and their propaganda says that the republican party is the party of the working class, so a lot of the working class votes republican. These people believe what they're told instead of using critical thinking skills to observe and analyze the actual actions taking place. Some of them are finally starting to wake up, but they'll fall back asleep the moment somebody more palatable than trump rises up and keeps the pain focused on marginalized groups instead of leaking out to hurt rural whites so much and so obviously.
I hope that AI development makes the internet and social media so dogshit that it pushes people to spend less time in online echo chamber spaces and more time in person with actual people face to face. We're radically divided due to algorithms slapping us with culture war bullshit, so we're forgetting that so many of us are united in wanting comfortable homes, affordable food, leisure time and money to enjoy with our families, and peace of mind that we're safe and secure. Crying about trans athletes does nothing for my family, but my father in law being furloughed during this shutdown due to an insistence on taking healthcare away from my sister sure as shit impacts my family.
Of course I don't want people to suffer, but some people will just never see what the fuck is actually happening until it affects them or people close to them. And those of us who already know are just that much more pissed off when these people only just now start to figure it out and cry for help now that it's hurting somebody other than the out group. And it's gonna be extra infuriating when they forget all about the pain they were finally exposed to and turn around and vote for it all over again. Mark my words, trump is not the last fascist these people will have sold their decency to support. They will forget where it got them within weeks.
I hope that AI development makes the internet and social media so dogshit that it pushes people to spend less time in online echo chamber spaces and more time in person with actual people face to face.
I sure would love that to happen, but my more cynical self sees the incel broligarchy-loving types and how they look forward to the day when females will be put in their place by having a compliant robot wife instead, not having to worry about a woman "taking all their money" and so on....
They can have their advanced waifu bodypillows, and I'll still make fun of them like I do the weebs with their regular waifu bodypillows.
But realistically, the broligarchy manchildren are the exact people who worship Elon Musk, and Elon Musk is the exact guy championing the idea that white birthrate decline is a horrible tragedy and we need to have more white babies. These losers will need to choose between their robo waifus and their techbro visionary prophet, and musk will have to choose between making the product in demand by his fans or his Nazi white genocide ideology.
I think they're most likely to agree on trying to making all women into free use breeding objects that "real alpha men" are allowed to stake claim on without consequence. In other words, legalize rape for white men. It sounds absurd, but five years ago you wouldn't have believed me if I'd told you that he'd do some public sieg heil Nazi salutes within a few years.
Not since at least the Clinton years. The US doesn’t have a mainstream working class party.
Haven’t the democrats been the working class party all along?
Relatively speaking, at least...
Even with W, there was a huge "smart sounding" = coastal elite narrative going with their: he looks like a guy you could have a beer with. Which apparently is more important than not kneecapping your union, demolishing the economy, or starting illegal wars
He killed it. Lindsey Graham was right
This one? https://youtu.be/mkXIWPmdfdo
Edit: no wait, this one? https://youtu.be/6MTTug24lpE
Edit2: Ohhh, no, it’s gotta be this one right? https://x.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/727604522156228608
Thank you for the citations.
The Mierdas Touch.
NOT true! As long as they CONTINUE Firing Millions of American Workers while Kidnapping Children, Raising GROCERY prices, ELIMINATING Air Travel, raising Healthcare Premiums and PROTECTING Rich Child Rapists America will WELCOME the Republicans with open arms in the Midterms! The TIMING is what was Wrong NOT the Policies!
It’s a well known fact that the party in power usually suffers losses during midterms. So it’s great that DEMs are winning. But it isn’t over by any stretch. Gotta keep fighting.
These weren't midterms, they were an off-year election. The midterms will be next year.
They are usually low turnout, but saw a historic turnout in NY and NJ, not sure about the others offhand.
Off-years you do not typically see this kind of sweeping response, its absolutely atypical.
I'm not suggesting its time to stop, but clarifying that this is not the norm.
These weren't midterms, they were an off-year election. The midterms will be next year.
Still applies
Kind of.
Its a barometer, and it usually features some degree of losses for the party in power. The degree of which is a big indicator for the midterms. While the presidents party tends to lose out overall in off-years, the degree to which can vary drastically.
Off year elections do not have sweeping losses or historically significant voter turnout though. They also dont generate anywhere near the kind of media attention this year saw, or the historic amounts of money being put into a mayoral election as we saw in NYC.
We shouldn't downplay the significance of yesterdays election. And it was significant.
Yeah, it is a good win that should be celebrate. Just don’t want people getting complacent.
We shouldn't be complacent or lose hope.
I'm... not exactly a fan of the existence of a state in general, but I'll happily support more dem-socialists and the ousting of establishment democrats (aka "traditional" republicans with a blue sign).
USA according to tRump: Dead country, dead parties... jeeze, what's next a dead president?!
what's next a dead president?!
I'd be OK with Trump killing that guy.
Hmmm, wonder who killed it
Hate to see it.