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There is perennial discussion about what fediverse servers (Lemmy or otherwise) to recommend to new users. I have a proposal, perhaps not very original but I haven't seen it made often.

Let's just recommend that newbies pick an instance that is located close to them geographically. That's to say: their country, their region, or (ideally) their town.

Some context. Personally, I am not totally sold on social media, federated or otherwise. The evidence is now pretty clear that it causes major social harms. One way it does this is by fuelling polarization around hot-button national and international debates, at the expense of local issues. Reviving democracy is going to mean boosting communities at a local level. This could be a small way to do that.

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[–] M1ch431@slrpnk.net 54 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

As a US-based person, just no. It is not desirable to host anything here or to trust any US-based service for a number of reasons.

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago (2 children)

This need not concern the physical location of the servers, just their purpose and audience.

[–] M1ch431@slrpnk.net 13 points 4 days ago

Gotcha, I suppose I was reading into this a bit too much:

pick an instance that is located close to them geographically

Definitely agree with your idea in this case.

[–] TheRealKuni@piefed.social 5 points 3 days ago

Right. Midwest.social is not hosted in the US, but it’s for the Midwest region of the US.

[–] julian@activitypub.space 12 points 4 days ago

Now this is a good reason to move a community to a different region.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 3 points 3 days ago

I think ICE is the scariest thing the US has done in decades. The online world is not even important compared to the evil stuff they are doing.

It just shows a mentality in Trump that is similar to Hitler. Also that he murders people on Venezuelas boats without any trial or legal actions. Just murders them.

So yeah. I will actually move my stuff away from aws even. I dont want any US in my life.

[–] fastfinge@rblind.com 32 points 4 days ago (4 children)

If we look at how toxic and racist the local city groups are on Reddit or Facebook, I'm not sure this is a good model. If I'm a black trans woman living in a small town in Mississippi, my local instance might not even be a safe place, for me.

Similarly, I would encourage blind folks to join us at rblind.com rather than a local instance, because a local instance might not take our needs into account: many have captchas, some use inaccessible themes, etc. At rblind.com you can be sure that we won't deploy an update or configuration change that will break accessibility, because the server admins and moderators are all blind ourselves. But the beauty of federation means that you can talk to everyone else on other instances, so being part of a particular identity group doesn't limit you to just talking to other members of that group.

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[–] BaroqueInMind@piefed.social 21 points 4 days ago (2 children)

This is a shit take. OP doesn't know how the internet works. Join any instance that you like, and subscribe to the community that has a topic based on your geographical region.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 19 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I’m a member of the .world instance but I don’t even live in this planet.

Suckers.

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[–] Ofiuco@piefed.ca 17 points 4 days ago (20 children)

There's only one mexican instance, it uses a whitelist and it fucking federates with grad so... Yeah, out of options.

I've been here since the reddit API exodus and I've never seen a latinamerican comm in my feed, much less latinamerican spanish posts.

And hosting an instance is not that simple, it requires effort, content, time, some originality and money (even if a little)... And people who want to join, but I've seen maybe 1 mexican (who I assume lives in México too) other than me... Because mexicans love being strangled by meta, so there's little to no incentive into creating a space for us in the fediverse.

[–] A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It surprises me a whole lot how few Hispanic instances there is, as far as I know feddit.cl is the biggest and kinda the only proper one.

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[–] Skavau@piefed.social 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Yes, and no. If you want to run specific community types - it might be better to be on a more 'general' or topical instance rather than a community geographically relevant to your country.

Moreover, some national instances don't have Piefed equivalents yet.

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Many (maybe most) non-anglophones are already doing that ...

... depending on your definition of "local". Where are the big anglophone servers located, anyway?

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Agreed. And it's not a zero-sum game.

The fact I'm on english speaking fediverse doesn't mean I'm not on the finnish speaking fediverse.

And what instance I'm on has absolutely no bearing on which one I spend my time.

[–] shittydwarf@piefed.social 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's frustrating to see the largest instance recommended all the time since it's rather heavy on censorship

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[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (11 children)

There currently aren't many of those.

Due to the rate of federation being limited by latency, instances have actually been re-locating to mostly Europe, so they can more easily keep up with each other.

Basically, every federated event needs to propagate, but the next one can't be sent out before the last one is received and an aknowledgement comes back.

That means a higher latency makes an instance federate at a lower rate, causing it to fall behind. Eventually, some instances were having activity from .world show up with days of delay due to being on the other side of the world.

But since your point is mostly ideological/cultural, that doesn't really matter. You're talking about identity, not infrastructure.

Which kinda defeats your point. Geography doesn't matter. You can set up a finnish community on a swedish instance and vice versa.

And I'm not sure what you mean by "reviving democracy".

The fediverse is explicitly NOT democratic. It's run by a large group of benevolent dictators (admins and mods) who maintain the environment they and the users of their respective instances and communities desire.

They are kept in line not by votes, but by the fact that any one of them can be defederated by the rest, and they can all be supplanted by any one user with the desire to set up their own instance or community.

The reason Lemmy doesn't have local communities, is not structural. It's size.

There are some finnish communities that can just barely be considered active. But if you further divided that down to cities, you'd have maybe one post a year.

[–] tofu@lemmy.nocturnal.garden 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Due to the rate of federation being limited by latency, instances have actually been re-locating to mostly Europe, so they can more easily keep up with each other.

Any examples for that? Latency causing instances not being able to keep up with federation is new to me.

[–] julian@activitypub.space 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

I'm sorry, this is not how federation works, and if it were truly as limited as "one activity at a time", moving a community to an entirely different continent is a fantastically short sighted idea.

Moving geographically closer to something else is important if you need real-time savings (e.g. high frequency trading, scientific research). ActivityPub is an asynchronous communications protocol built upon technology with decent if occasionally dubious reliability. Doing something this drastic to shave off ~100ms is not correct.

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Please do not condescend.

I know it doesn't have to work that way, but for a time, it did.

Here is one of the github issues on the problem.

And yes. It led to instance relocations.

It was either don't federate, and wait for an update with unknown eta, or move closer to the big instances.

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 7 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Afaik it is a specific implementation issue in Lemmy that causes this. Instances in Australia had problems catching up with lemmy.world because of that.

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 6 points 4 days ago

It wasn't just a problem. It was literally impossible for them to keep up.

Re-locating the server was the only option, as opposed to skipping events or shutting down until the problem was fixed.

[–] Blaze@piefed.zip 2 points 3 days ago
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[–] realitista@lemmus.org 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's not clear where most of them are based. I am an American living in Czechia. I don't see any Czech language ones (though I'd be using mostly English anyway), so my assumption is that there aren't any in Czechia, which is likely wrong and just based on lack of info.

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

As a bubble-ensconced expat you're likely in a different category!

But sure. My proposal is that if you sign up from a Czech IP, you get pushed to whatever's the most local server with more than X active users, or X recent uptime ratio, for example.

[–] Auster@thebrainbin.org 6 points 3 days ago (3 children)

If the user likes none of the regional instances he/she knows of, should the user recommend things he/she doesn't like?

Similarly, some instances have more clear-cut niches. If the user finds such an instance to be a good recommendation to someone interested in the fediverse, should he/she avoid it if it's too far physically from the interested user?

[–] Auster@thebrainbin.org 3 points 3 days ago

When I think a regional community could be good:

If the user doesn't speak English, or if neither the one recommending nor the one interested know at all what the latter wants.

And in the second case, a generalist instance like Lemmy.World or Mastodon.Social would be better, I think.

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[–] Zangoose@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Maybe I could see country or even general region, but town?? Why would I want to publicly give away my location like that?

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