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[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 166 points 2 days ago (7 children)

fuck.

One in four foster kids will end up homeless.

https://nfyi.org/issues/homelessness/

up to 3 out of 10 homeless people are foster kids who aged out.

what the fuck.

I thought it was bad enough knowing about the veteran rights.

some of the studies show higher rates.

The studies. on the homeless children.

[–] WhatSay@slrpnk.net 86 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If you want more statistical horror, look up foster care to prison pipeline

[–] koella@lemm.ee 84 points 2 days ago (5 children)

So when conservatives want to ban abortions they are basically trying to increase the flow in this pipeline to get more prison slave labor

[–] ReanuKeeves@lemm.ee 38 points 2 days ago (2 children)

10000% yes. The easiest people to manipulate are the desperate and manipulators love dangling carrots.

What's worse is that this is easily recognizable but nothing will ever be done about the nutjobs who enjoy watching others suffer at their hand.

There is no reason to believe we don't live in hell

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[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Multiple angles really.

Biggest one is that a child is both a financial and mental stress on a parent, and our society overwhelming believes that children are primarily the responsibility of the mother. By attacking abortion, they basically saying that every woman is just one sexual assault away from a lifetime of financial, emotional, mental and social duress.

The second reason is class stratification. The financial stresses impact less wealthy families or individuals disproportionately, and less wealthy people cannot afford to travel to areas where reproductive care is legal, nor can they afford the lawyers required to fight the potential criminal cases or just pay their fines. The rich conservatives bankrolling these anti-abortion groups aren't threatened or beholden to the policy they create.

The third reason is racism. Black women are more likely to seek abortions, partly because they suffer a higher incidence of sexual assault, but also because they have less access to reproductive resources and education. Republicans have dog whistled this in the past by trying to say that abortions are racist because black women have a disporportionate number of abortions, even going so far as to call it a Democrat genocide on African-Americans. This dog whistle shows their true intentions; force financial, mental, and social stress in ways that are "equal" along racial lines, but not "equitable".

You could say that religion is a 4th reason, but I don't consider it a real reason, and they cherry-pick their religious convictions anyway. You see those motherfuckers eating shellfish and wearing blended fibers all the time.

[–] WhatSay@slrpnk.net 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yep, people are only a commodity to be manipulated by the capitalist systems

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Well yeah, obviously.

It can't possibly be because of religion, because all of them would be damned to hell five times a day for several other reasons.

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[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 57 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 63 points 2 days ago (1 children)

While this is accurate, most people have a better chance of actually understanding it when you use the full quote.

We live in a world where people have to be convinced to care for and sympathize with those around them.

[–] glitchdx@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's a great point. Wish more people would practice it.

[–] 1SimpleTailor@startrek.website 57 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The reality if you're working class in America; we're all one really bad day and a few less people caring about us from being homeless.

[–] deadsuperhero@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago (5 children)

my view of homeless people changed forever when I learned that more than half of them were foster kids who aged out of the system and were left with no family or resources.

Jesus, that's dark.

[–] Luccus@feddit.org 14 points 1 day ago

Sure, it may sound bad when children become homeless. But have you ever thought about how much money it saves? Just think of all the good things we can afford with all that money!

Like anti-homeless park benches. Or those little speakers that emit ultra-high-pitched sounds so that young people don't … enjoy … existing somewhere or something, idk.

And just because I'm unable to actually satirize reality at the moment, yes, /s

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[–] TheRealLinga@sh.itjust.works 32 points 2 days ago

I've been a homeless teen, thankfully it was over a decade now though.

Shit sucked. I get angry when I hear people make excuses about how homeless people are just lazy or trying to rip you off somehow. Like stfu you have no idea what it's like!

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

FYi readers, I don't know the actual statistics on foster children who grow out of the system and how prevalent that is in the homeless population, but from what I know at least, particularly in my own time homeless, is that most homeless people are actually small families who live in their car or in someone's garage.

I think we need to do a lot better to show what poverty really looks like in the USA, because we picture the media-spun image of America that we have a huge middle-class in nice suburban homes, and then there's the "the poors" who are like, generic homeless dudes who are grizzled old bums warming their fingerless-gloved hands over a burning metal drum down in skid-row.

The reality of the distribution is the "middle class" in America is much, much smaller and more poor than most people realize. Most people who seem to "have it all" are in immense debt, and the larger percentage of families in the US are working poor, people who live in shared homes and apartments with too many other people, people who live in their car and go to work and school every day, people who live in motels and abandoned homes or who "Stay after work" to take advantage of the company showers before sleeping under the desk. These are not jokes or tropes or memes, this is really how many, many Americans live... in the wealthiest country in the world.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

There are an incredible number of people with gym memberships for access to the showers.

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[–] the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)

When I see things like this it makes me so proud of my parents. They are the few people I know who do foster care because they care. They have actual love for every kid that ever walked through their doors. They have had so far 3 kids that moved back home at one point or another and for all 3 of them the only question They ever asked was "how soon do you want to move in?"

At the same time stuff like this hurts me because I always thought unconditional love was the standard growing up. The knowledge that most people didn't / don't have that is so sad.

Anyway on a side note I am going to call my folks and tell them how great they are.

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[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Even worse a ward of the state loses ALL benifits permanently if they are convicted of any offense, guess how motivated social workers are to find an excuse? For anyone that's never been through these systems when you spend a lot of time with a social worker, I've never been more clearly threatened more credibily by anyone my entire life. I told one that I needed help with child care and they said ''you don't want to tell ME that, if you're having such a hard time watching your kids, maybe you need them removed by CPS, I can have an office over there before you get home if you'd like, or can you manage without talking to be about it?'' Imagine being 18, right out of foster care, trying to get enployment or training through health and human services, and they know all they have to do is get you on any technicality and case closed. I know they'd get you a job with a van picking you up, and let police have a look at your ID and run it to find any lapse. Had a cop pull over a van with 8 people, never even talked to the driver, just demanded everyone in the van give over ID and, clearly targeting, went right for one guy and ''found out'' he had failed to report the job we all started that day to his case worker who set up the job assignment, and got him charged right there. The business we were hired by was furious, because apparently they've lost vital numbers of workers this way, and the social workers did this fairly regularly, also the amount of times they send you paperwork that gets to you on the 9th, and had to be turned in by the 8th was VERY precise and consistant. The welfare state isn't about helping anyone, it's about reducing the burden on the tax prayer by any means necessary. They do not care about getting you kicked out permanently. They want your case closed.

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[–] theangryseal@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This right here is my biggest fear for my daughter.

She’s lazy. She’s unfocused. She’s isolated.

She is one of the greatest artists I have ever encountered in my life. Bad shit seems to come with that. I am afraid that the world will never know it because she isolates almost completely.

Her mother died from breast cancer when she was 13. I have been so unkind to my body and I’m afraid I won’t be here long enough to help her the way she might end up needing it.

She has her step dad who has remained a big part of her life since her mom passed away. He’s a great man and she and her mother were very lucky that he’s the one she found. She can’t get along with any of her mom’s family. I believe that my wife would always look out for her, but I wish they’d get closer. Her mom made that hard by saying only days before she died, “If you replace me with that woman I will spend eternity rolling in my grave.”

I have survived in this world because of my mother and my uncle. Without them I would have been homeless over and over again. I wish she would get closer with her mom’s family. I can’t make her stay with them though. Her aunt takes her to school if she misses the bus, so maybe she’ll look out for her.

It keeps me awake at night more than anything else.

[–] upsiforgot@programming.dev 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Has ADHD ever been ruled out? Cause being treated, this immensely increases the chances of a healthy and successfull adulthood...

[–] theangryseal@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We’ve been trying to get a diagnosis for a few years. Everyone seems to agree she has it, but they’re scared to medicate her because of my issues with addiction I guess.

We’re pushing the issue next week actually.

[–] reluctant_squidd@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 days ago (4 children)

A someone who became middle aged with it (ADHD), not knowing what it really was or how it was affecting me, it is worth the effort.

They didn’t really prepare me for how much being medicated would change my life. Not that it cures everything, but I had to deal with a profound sense of loss for a few weeks after getting setup.

I found it really hard when I started to remember all of the missed opportunities and experiences that this condition had taken from me over the years. If ADHD is the cause or a factor, she will thank you later.

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[–] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Liberals are also to blame for gaslighting and selling workers out to the capital class for 50+ years. The last Democrat President that actually fought for the proletariat was FDR with his New Deal programs.

Yes, liberals were less evil than Republicans, but when Obama tried to give us universal healthcare they stabbed him in the back and when Bernie set multiple grassroot funding records, they conspired against him and stabbed the entire nation in the back. So if we factor in the opportunities for real leftist leadership that liberals stole from us than that opportunity cost is nearly as damaging as what Republicans are doing.

[–] illegible@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

nearly as damaging

really? More BS false equivalence. The liberals where never in control enough to make any of that happen. They may not be perfect by any means but to say they're "nearly as damaging" as the right is just ridiculous.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Convenient that when the GOP has a razor thin edge they get everything they want with almost no issue, but when DNC has a super majority they can barely get watered down health insurance reform.

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That's the difference between ethical governing and the unethical abuse of power.

If you want liberals to "get everything they want", and ignore democracy, they'd have to do it unethically.

Wouldn't it be better if everyone played by the rules, and governed like they are actually working in the best interests of voters?

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

The real problem is most of the DNC don't want the things they say they do to get elected. They get the same conservative money the GOP does to be sure those things don't happen.

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[–] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (6 children)

No one should judge homeless people. It's easy to judge being in a privileged position, but without having experienced bad shit yourself you should just shut the fuck up. Maybe help the less privileged, otherwise you will be judged by my.

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[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I’m gonna need a source on that second claim cause it doesn’t sound right

[–] butter@midwest.social 35 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I think the second guy had it backwards.

Wikipedia (If you don't like it, use it's sources):

Nearly half of foster children in the US become homeless when they reach the age of 18

[–] EddoWagt@feddit.nl 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's still really bad though

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[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 15 points 1 day ago

Two time boomeranging failson here.

I tried Lord how I tried. I fell flat on my face trying to make it on my own. Actually did wind up homeless for a stint. If I didn't have the option to crawl back home to lick my wounds, I'm not sure I would have made it.

[–] Chessmasterrex@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

That happens. I dated someone who worked in a group home for foster kids and they try to set a kid up with some place to live, like an AFC home after they turn 18, but sometimes they don't have any options and get dropped off at a homeless shelter.

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

Never looked down on any homeless people in my entire life & would like to keep it that way.

My sister though, holy crap

[–] taxiiiii@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

My parents wouldn't even have the fucking space to let me stay.

And then we have people like musk, who grew up with a golden spoon and view those on social security as parasites.

[–] LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee 8 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Recently found a pretty interesting video about China and how they combat homelessness (sorry on reddit). You can buy a 1 room apartment for $15.000 and the monthly costs are minimal. Of course I don't truly know if there really isn't any homelessness in China, but we absolutely have the technology to solve this problem lol

[–] Padit@feddit.org 13 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Well, for 2022 I found that the average wage is 2600¥ or 330€ per month (with enormous differencs between the regions). That means a flat is 4 annual salaries on average, assuming ithe 15000$ or 14000€. That's not that much off a difference to Germany, where I am from.

So one could argue that this is just the advise "get a job and buy a house!!!" To a homeless person.

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[–] Puzzlehead@reddthat.com 8 points 1 day ago

Yep, anyone can be homeless.

If you sell your house and are between houses now, technically you are homeless but you're privileged you can live in a hotel or rent a storage unit and couch surf or if you have a friend or family member to stay with. If you have a job, you can still afford shelter and not lose everything. This was my family when my brother was a baby and we just stay with a friend for 2 months until we moved into our new house. Both of my parents had jobs. We were privileged.

If you're evicted because you lost your job or got sick so you were unable to afford to pay your rent. Not all landlords give you a grace period to get behind in rent when something out of your control happened. These people also lose everything if they had no friends or family to help out. If they live paycheck to paycheck, they couldn't save money. Many Americans are one paycheck away from homelessness. It just means if they get sick or get into an accident or lose their job, they're screwed.

[–] M137@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Never had a bad view of homeless people, even as a child, you gotta lack empathy to be in the position where you are adult and realise that they're not bad.

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