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[–] despite_velasquez@lemmy.world 26 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

In Taiwan, these people are called 民主二代 (second generation of democracy), oftentimes in a derogatory way, referring to a generation that came of age after Taiwan's democratization, sometimes seen as taking democracy for granted.

I kinda half don't blame them, they suffer from the same issues that most liberal democracies face now:

  • horribly low pay and worker protections, in your first year working, expect to barely have 3 holiday days offered to you
  • never being able to buy property in Taiwan (Taiwanese property market is insane and I could talk at lengths about it)

In this context, Taiwanese politics is a hugely partisan-tribal affair with a lot of drama. A lot of people become apathetic and just go "you can't eat democracy" (a dig at parties that keep pushing this as their campaign slogan rather than talking about kitchen-table political issues (housing, affordability, high cost of raising kids).

[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 4 points 3 hours ago

... politics is a hugely partisan-tribal affair with a lot of drama

This is a problem everywhere. In fact it may well be the definition of politics.

I know this isn't particularly helpful in terms of this specific discussion (China, Taiwan, etc.), but that phrase leapt out at me and I had to call attention to it.

[–] tornavish@lemmy.cafe 11 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

That’s cause the ML are good at propaganda. They will hate it when they can’t speak openly or be gay

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 5 points 3 hours ago

I think the housing crisis, crushing capitalism and rising cost of living are having more impact than ML propaganda here. Not that a Chinese takeover would necessarily fix these things, but there's plenty of reason to be disillusioned with liberal democracy other than propaganda.

[–] Greddan@feddit.org 9 points 10 hours ago

They should spend some time there! See how they're treated. Certainly was an eye opener for a Taiwanese friend of mine. One China doesn't mean one people, only under one emperor.

[–] hddsx@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 hours ago

Amelia近幾年去過香港嗎?