Oh cool, GFR has finally gone mask-off.
This has always been the case, but I'm going to take this opportunity to state that links to that site are not allowed here, and will be removed on sight.
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Oh cool, GFR has finally gone mask-off.
This has always been the case, but I'm going to take this opportunity to state that links to that site are not allowed here, and will be removed on sight.
@ValueSubtracted Thanks for the reminder. Yeah, I would never link because eww, but a screenshot for general pointing-and-laughing was just too tempting.
This is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. Star Trek is the original woke.
A black woman was part of command staff on the bridge.
They entertained TVs first interracial kiss.
Their society doesn’t involve money.
They have a no interference policy as the prime directive, completely opposite the bottom line of the United States.
Roddenberry knew Takei was gay.
For an example of TOS’ level of woke, please refer to Season 3, Episode 15: Let That Be Your Last Battlefield
Yeah it's a profoundly stupid take.
There's the famous Whoopi Goldberg quote about how as a little kid she saw it with a black woman not beimg a maid and running around the house screaming about it in celebration
There's the famous story about Nichelle Nichols wanting to quit to do plays until MLK jr told her that she needed to stay for black people everywhere to be represented as an equal member of the crew, and it was the only show he'd let his kids stay up late to watch.
From its inception it's been "woke" by daring to put both a black woman and an asian man in roles where they were to be treated as equals and valued members of the group.
I'd like to add more examples, but it's been so long since I've watched any star trek.
EDIT: I just remembered the not at all subtile jab at racism with the two guys that had half black half white faces.
Another example : roddenbury wanted the 1st officer to be a woman on TOS, and shot the pilot with Majel Barret in the role, well before they were married. The studio shot it down and ordered a new pilot.
DS9 has lots of stuff against racism, either with aliens or black people in time travel episodes. And the one where Quark transitions for an episode and it's not just milked for laughs or similar, for the 90s that was handled pretty tactfully. lots of womens rights topics, especially with Ferengi.
And in a way that whole show was a critique of imperialism/colonialism
Even into the later series, people had to fight to do interesting things with it. IIRC the network was skittish about Voyager because nobody would possibly be interested in a scifi show with a female lead.
Conservatives do not understand subtext, satire, or allegory. They don't assign what they like or don't based on any meaningful understanding of the message it conveys. They get told what to like and believe by authority and follow it, constantly dismissing or dissonancing any message from what they consume that doesn't align with their instilled beliefs.
@Zephorah And all of this is pretty obvious to anyone with their brain turned on. But even that seems a bridge too far for some.
Kirk was kissing black ladies back when that was basically illegal. What the fuck is this? Don't blame the "they put politics in my Trek" crowd on Trek crowd, man, those dudes were always just idiots.
Yeah conveniently the photo they chose left uhura out...
Probably just a coincidence
About that picture… Is that chief O’Brien?
Yes, it's from Deep Space Nine Season 5, Episode 6 "Trials and Tribble-ations".
Yeah, they nabbed a screenshot from one of the best episodes of DS9
DO NOT look up screenshots of Terry Farrell in Trials and Tribble-ations if you are not prepared to immediately fall in love with her again
Yes. That’s from Deep Space Nine. S5E6 Trials and Tribbleations. A neat mashup that puts the DS9 crew into the original tribbles episode.
@PhilipTheBucket They get such a shallow understanding of things, and then get all butt hurt when other people provide a much more logical interpretation based on the specifically stated intents of the original show creators.
This is hilarious to me so I looked up the original article and I am pretty sure that it is largely written by AI.
Also, not that it needs or deserves any kind of analysis, but the central premise (as much as I can decipher from all the ChatGPT fluff) appears to be: "Because Trekkies are conservative, Star Trek is doing everything it can to make men hate it." which obviously makes no sense. Why would a company create a piece of media knowing it would be unpopular with it's core demographic?
Anyway thanks for the laugh, OP.
@Kirk Gotta appreciate the thinly veiled "great fan replacement" theory. How very subtle. I'm sure the author (whoever that is) felt ever so witty.
Well the reasoning in the article has nothing to do with the audience being conservative. It's: Star Trek has a mainly male audience. Males are conservative. Then they show some picture how males went more conservative some 50 years(!) after it aired... I'm speechless. Maybe AI "reasoning". Or just very, very stupid.
Weird. My stay at home mom and favorite aunt watched it back when TVs had 5 stations on a dial. They introduced me, female, to it at a young age. None of us are Trump voters.
The only dislike expressed was for the Spock’s brain episode. They still talk about what a terrible episode they thought it was.
Where is this article getting their demographic numbers, wishful thinking? The wiki says it’s always been a diverse viewership with a slight skew to male.
It seems the only data provided about the demographics and political leanings of the fandom are anecdotal accounts from social media. Do you think it ever occurred to the author that they might just have an algorithm that recognizes their preference for shitty content?
I could drop all the acid in the world and still not come up with a take this fucking deranged.
How delusional do you have to be to believe this?
Republican levels, so checks out?
So...Republicans are fans of space communism?
Remember not so long ago when people noticed that Rise Against makes political songs? A lot of people are blind to stuff like this until you point it out.
Likewise with Rage Against The Machine
My absolute favorite bit of social media was this instagram exchange. It just encapsulates so much that's inherently stupid with it.
"What do you think is the machine they are raging against? The fucking printer?"
Bold of you to assume they know it's space communism. If the boys is of any indication Star Trek needs to explicitly say "we're space communism" for there to be a 50/50 chance of Republicans getting it.
This is the stupidest fucking thing I've ever read in my life.
I wish republicans would just die. How about that?
@LadyMeow I was hoping they'd all be raptured a couple of weeks ago. Imagine all the problems that would have immediately been solved.
Not just Republicans...anyone that votes for a conservative party.
I mean, a show like Star Trek couldn't possibly do well pushing a progressive worldview, right? Definitely it would have to appeal to ~~bigots~~ conservatives, or it would tank. No progressiveness on Star Trek, no sir.
/s
I was only 14 when I put on my big boy pants and learned from the Bell Riots that socialism was bad and I will forever ignore the factors that create such mass unemployment.
I like older trek because the writing was interesting and sometimes cerebral. I have no qualms with LGBT characters, I have a problem with shitty written plot and characters. Take the show away from paramount, hire the best writers you can who care some about continuity of the star trek universe and you’d have an almost guaranteed viral franchise.
Bring back the DS9 writers if they are willing, also fuck Rick Berman.
Yes, the true fans of the TV show about space communism and racial equality has always been
*checks notes
Republicans?
As a mental exercise I like to perceive Star Trek as a racist propaganda show.
Star Trek can be seen as the way, a fascist empire wants to be perceived. The whites are in control but benevolent. Minority groups have their token share of roles but they never threaten the control of the whites.
The visible people are mostly white and never have a brown, black and Asian percentage that could be expected from a united earth.
The organisation is hierarchical. A militarized society would be the solution to overcome all conflicts.
It is clear that the casting was needed to gain market share in the US but that also means that the show can trigger nostalgica in those who want to continue those proportions.
I agree with all you said, I just can't believe it is possible for conservative viewers of the show to be blindered to the numerous, numerous ways where the show morals, both implied and very much stated, are antithetical to the entire value structure of the modern right-wing of the USA.
But then again, when I think of the Trek fans I know in real life, it is surprising how many of them are Republicans. Not a majority, but enough. So they might just be overlooking the things they don't agree with.
Hilarious. The Republicans are watching progressive shit promoting liberalism, equality and ethics? A communist utopia?
Slash fic as it originated in modern fan culture was Kirk/Spock and spread through zines written by women in the 60s.
Also I've been watching TNG for the first time lately (late to trek) and I honestly don't understand how conservatives could really enjoy the best episodes. Like I watched The Drumhead (s4e21) last night and it was aggressively unsubtlely anti conservative. Like honestly I regret not keeping notes from the start of this watch through to have good episodes to recommend to people. First Contact (s4e14) had the villain literally be a conservative trying to preserve his society's way of life against the progress it would have to deal with if it encountered aliens.