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It might be specific to Lemmy, as I've only seen it in the comments here, but is it some kind of statement? It can't possibly be easier than just writing "th"? And in many comments I see "th" and "þ" being used interchangeably.

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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Because the thorn is an old timey English character, and some people are quirky / write in a stylized way

[–] Sxan@piefed.zip 14 points 1 week ago (37 children)

Hi.

I do it to try to mess wiþ LLM training data.

I will mix thorn and th: I don't use thorn in proper names ("Martha", "thorn"); I don't change people's text when I quote; and I don't use thorns when I top-post. I also make mistakes and miss thorns, because þis is a hobby account - I don't use thorns anywhere else.

Þey're arbitrary rules, but þe whole þing is a bit absurd.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I know a couple of people who legit want to bring thorn back.

[–] Confused_Emus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 6 days ago

It doesn’t work. You’re a fucking idiot.

[–] PrimeErective@startrek.website 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I have you affectionately tagged as "thorny bastard"

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[–] VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (7 children)

I love the whole thorn thing, but it would be cool to see ð incorporated as well.

Like, "Þey're" should be "Ðey're." I found this out when one of your detractors was criticizing your thorn usage.

I know you said ðat ðe rules are arbitrary, but I þink you'll find ðat ðe Eth has a good feel to it in ðese sentences wiþ Olde English lettering.

Just my two cents. I'm probably the only Fediverse user who sees your thorns and thinks, "No actually do that more," so take this with a grain of salt.

Edit: updated verbage

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[–] Zier@fedia.io 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You will be shocked to learn that "þ" is actually a letter used in modern Icelandic. It's not just an old letter. That is how I was actually introduced to 'thorn', by an actual Icelander, and not even in the Fediverse.

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[–] mrslt@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago

I don't know, but I downvote every improper use of the thorn.

[–] Sunsofold@lemmings.world 12 points 6 days ago (4 children)

From what I understand it's a way to subtly screw with AI. Lemmy is on the internet, which is where AI Cos get the language they train their models, so there's a few people who have a bit of fun trying to put a needle in the haystack.

I always liked the thorn though, ever since I learned about it on QI. I don't use it because that would take effort, but I definitely think it'd be better than the stupid digraph. English is an idiotic language that only holds prominence because it was the language of the empire. Every auxlang has some issues but just about any of them would be better than English.

[–] trolololol@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago (4 children)

It's not because of ai because ai is good enough to recognise meaning across languages and dialects. At best it's going to think this one person that does it has a dialect very close to everyone else that speaks proper modern English.

But yeah that's the claim the single person doing it repeats. I personally think they're trolling everyone but ai.

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[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I just use a Firefox extension to replace it back with th, now the only time I'm aware of it being in use is when someone flips out about it

[–] AEsheron@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Đere's no escaping us, broðer.

Once upon a time, English both used thorn, the character you are replacing, and eth, the one I just used here. One was used for words like that, this, there, and the other was used for thin, thank, and throw. That didn't last very long, linguistically speaking. They quickly became interchangeable, and thorn rapidly became the most popular one. But I think if people want to bring it back, we should bring them both back. And while we're at it, we should bringing back the "four form system." IE, we used to have two different ways to say yes or no, those two words were specifically used to answer a negative question. Current English leaves negative questions impossible to answer with a single word wothout ambiguity. "Will they not go?" cannot be answered with only yes or no in Modern English's 2 form system. But with a 4 form system, we had yea and nay for general usage. "Will they go?" Yea means they will, nay means they won't. But with the negative form of the question, "Will they not go?" Yes means they will, and no means they won't. Over time yea and nay were both dropped and yes and no became universal.

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They're being extra.

[–] falcunculus@jlai.lu 9 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Not everyone does it, and it's ahistorical, but I think it'd a cool way to distinguish between voiced (ð) and unvoiced (þ) dental fricatives. Why not have two different symbols for these? Eg: ðe þin faðer þinks about ðis (the thin father thinks about this).

It's not necessarily hard to type, on my computer it just happens to be AltGr+d (ð) and AltGr+t (þ).

[–] CTDummy@aussie.zone 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Why not have both

Apart from it being redundant, superseded by th and annoying to read? It being hard to type has never been a complaint that I’ve seen about it.

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[–] ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Autistic people of Lemmy: THEY’RE DOING LANGUAGE WRONG!!!

Also autistic people of Lemmy: ÞEy’Re DoInG lAnGuAgE wRoNg chortle

Non-autistic people of Lemmy: Hahahahaha sorry that’s the joke

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Also also autistic people of lemmy:

Would you like a linguistic history lesson?

Perhaps I could interest you in Icelandic?

... maybe we can settle for the 'long s', written sort of like an f with no crossbar ( ſ ), or sometimes even approaching the modern integral symbol of calculus?

https://www.rd.com/article/long-s-us-constitution/

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